D&D 5E Why does 5E SUCK?

BookBarbarian · Sep 27, 2018

It's one of those cases where the title doesn't quite match the first post. "What don't you like about 5e" will always be a topic worthy of discussion.

cmad1977 · Sep 27, 2018

Sacrosanct said:
I think this thread is one of life's greatest mysteries. First, how it was even allowed to go without being blocked because it's one huge blatant edition warring thread (imagine if I created a thread about how 4e sucks). But how it's been allowed to continue is really baffling, as it's been full of said edition warring, and on top of it, keeps getting necro'd.

I mean... to be fair... I’m not sure there’s enough server space to handle a list of reasons 4e sucked.
Edit: of course I mean ‘reasons why a person wouldn’t like 4e’.

doctorbadwolf · Sep 27, 2018

cmad1977 said:
I mean... to be fair... I’m not sure there’s enough server space to handle a list of reasons 4e sucked.
Edit: of course I mean ‘reasons why a person wouldn’t like 4e’.

I mean, funny jokes about how wrong you are aside...I'm pretty sure my wife's new iphone can hold all the text ever posted online arguing about 4e. Technology has come a long way.

Erechel · Sep 27, 2018

cmad1977 said:
I mean... to be fair... I’m not sure there’s enough server space to handle a list of reasons 4e sucked.
Edit: of course I mean ‘reasons why a person wouldn’t like 4e’.

Curiously, I've criticized 4e (even with good arguments) a lot. But the 4e legacy on 5e made me appreciate that game. The short-long rest and hit dice were brilliant. 5e take the best part of 4e, delivers it in a OSR envelope.

doctorbadwolf · Sep 27, 2018

Erechel said:
Curiously, I've criticized 4e (even with good arguments) a lot. But the 4e legacy on 5e made me appreciate that game. The short-long rest and hit dice were brilliant. 5e take the best part of 4e, delivers it in a OSR envelope.

I keep trying, and I just don’t see the OSR in 5e. What about it takes folks back to their old school gaming days?

Tallifer · Sep 27, 2018

doctorbadwolf said:
I keep trying, and I just don’t see the OSR in 5e. What about it takes folks back to their old school gaming days?

Having played AD&D in the 1980s and having recently played lots of Labyrinth Lord etc with OSR groups (and at the same being someone who prefers 4E), 5E has many similarities: Vancian spells and spell lists; descriptive spell descriptions rather than the Magic Card format of 4E powers; no magic item creation/treasure parcels; no paragon paths or epic destinies; no Powers for martial characters; a reversion to old school rôles (fighting, exploration, magic) versus the 4E rôles of defender, control, striker and support.

Jester David · Sep 27, 2018

doctorbadwolf said:
I keep trying, and I just don’t see the OSR in 5e. What about it takes folks back to their old school gaming days?

I've described 5e as the "Rorschach Edition" a few times.
If you hate 5e and hated 4e, you'll look at 5e and see all the stuff you hated in 4e. If you love 5e and loved 3e, you'll see all the stuff you loved from 3e. And vice versa. It's very much an edition that is influenced by your perceptions more than its contents.

Sadras · Sep 27, 2018

doctorbadwolf said:
I keep trying, and I just don’t see the OSR in 5e. What about it takes folks back to their old school gaming days?

DM adjudication

cmad1977 · Sep 27, 2018

doctorbadwolf said:
I keep trying, and I just don’t see the OSR in 5e. What about it takes folks back to their old school gaming days?

Perception was the dump skill I see.

cmad1977 · Sep 27, 2018

Erechel said:
Curiously, I've criticized 4e (even with good arguments) a lot. But the 4e legacy on 5e made me appreciate that game. The short-long rest and hit dice were brilliant. 5e take the best part of 4e, delivers it in a OSR envelope.

Yeah. 5e took the best parts of earlier editions, threw out the garbage and added ‘story-game’ elements that work great.