Vecna v Acererak v Larloch? Who's The Most Powerful Lich?

Forgotten Realms creator Ed Greenwood was recently asked who was the most powerful lich: Vecna, Acererak, or Larloch. Here was his reply!

Forgotten Realms creator Ed Greenwood was recently asked who was the most powerful lich: Vecna, Acererak, or Larloch. Here was his reply!

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"Heh. I've been asked this many times before, and although part of me wonders what's the point of all "who's more powerful?" questions, the answer is: it depends. In terms of raw personal BATTLE power, the answer is likely Vecna. Though so much of his power is vested in his Hand and his Eye that unless they can all be in one place, Larloch might pack more punch. Not that he would fight toe-to-toe in battle, because that isn't Larloch's way; he views liches who do that as idiot failures. Larloch's way is to manipulate from behind the scenes to lead anyone seeking him, or trying to cross him, astray, so they never come into contact with him. If need be, he'd hurl his many, many servitor liches at them, most of whom are personally more powerful than Acererak.

Larloch and Vecna both have a wider reach and influence on the worlds around them than Acererak, so if you're measuring that way, Acererak is left behind. But when it comes to measuring Larloch and Vecna against each other in terms of influence, it's a matter of style: Vecna has the greater fear-reputation and is "noisier," and Larloch is more the master manipulator, who works unseen. As in, you may never know how much he's affected you. I can only go by what Elminster (and on rare occasions Storm, or Laeral, or Volo[!]) tell me of the Realms, and the three Chosen of Mystra all think Larloch (even wherever he is now, bested by the Srinshee) is the greater threat. As El put it, "Vecna is a bogeyman, and his relics do harm. Larloch undresses thee and ye never even know it." Larloch plays the longer game, and is more patient and empathic and has a greater understanding of the multiverse, whereas Vecna is more self-centered. I trust El's judgment, because I must; without it, none of us know ANYTHING about the Realms.

Acererak is feared throughout the multiverse because he's an almost-always-active destructive force. However, that's a one-trick pony. "Hah! I shall destroy you TWICE!!!" ;}"
 

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gyor

Legend
I think authors tend to favour their own creations... You could ask Ed whether Mordenkainen or Elminster is the greater wizard & get a similar answer. :D

Elmister has been beaten by the Nerf stick so hard, I would not bet that Ed would say El is stronger then Mord.

Elmister is not the most powerful Archwizard in the realms anymore, I'd argue that exluding Gods Nezram the World Walker is the most powerful Archwizard right now. The most powerful wizard on Faerunthat actually lives on Faerun would be Thoth.
 

Mirtek

Hero
Elmister has been beaten by the Nerf stick so hard, I would not bet that Ed would say El is stronger then Mord.

Elmister is not the most powerful Archwizard in the realms anymore, I'd argue that exluding Gods Nezram the World Walker is the most powerful Archwizard right now. The most powerful wizard on Faerunthat actually lives on Faerun would be Thoth.
Mord has been nerfed pretty hard in too in 5e, just look at his sorry level in CoS.

Hallaster however seems to have escaped the nerf hammer
 

As silly as they were, I always enjoyed those articles.

If they were to do an undead version of The Wizards Three, I feel like Szass Tam would be invited ahead of Larloch for the Realms. Lord Soth for Krynn, maybe Strahd for Ravenloft (if he can get a hall pass from the Dark Powers), and Vecna and Acererak can fight it out for a seat at that table (maybe play a game of Joust to see who gets to go).

I definitely recommend reading The Wizards Three articles from Dragon Magazine, for entertainment value alone.
 

Dausuul

Legend
If they were to do an undead version of The Wizards Three, I feel like Szass Tam would be invited ahead of Larloch for the Realms. Lord Soth for Krynn, maybe Strahd for Ravenloft (if he can get a hall pass from the Dark Powers), and Vecna and Acererak can fight it out for a seat at that table (maybe play a game of Joust to see who gets to go).
I'd probably go with Fistandantilus over Lord Soth. Soth doesn't seem like the type to attend conferences.
 

gyor

Legend
I don’t think anyone can top what Vecna did in Sigil. But let’s not forget the near annihilation of Myth Drannor, giving Szass Tam a Death Moon Orb and Thakorsil’s Seat, allowing sanctuary to a clone of Manshoon, saving Mystra’s life during the Spellplague, making an active attempt to become the God of Magic himself, and is a Warlock Patron in 5E.

Ioulaum is the one that has literally done nothing. :p

Aside from creating Ioun Stones.

And both Laroch and Ioulaum used to rule floating Netherese cities right?
 

Is Fistandantilus undead or just dead-dead? I know he was a spirit for a time, but then I thought Raistlin went back in time and killed him permanently. Or is my Dragonlance lore out-of-date (a likely possibility, that)?

I'd probably go with Fistandantilus over Lord Soth. Soth doesn't seem like the type to attend conferences.
 

Dausuul

Legend
Is Fistandantilus undead or just dead-dead? I know he was a spirit for a time, but then I thought Raistlin went back in time and killed him permanently. Or is my Dragonlance lore out-of-date (a likely possibility, that)?
Well, yes, but Raistlin was killing his undead granddaddy there. I mean, if Fistandantilus was killed in the past, he couldn't have been around to save Raistlin's life during the Test, so Raistlin would die in the present and never get a chance to go back and kill Fistandantilus.

In any case, the Sword Coast Adventurers' Guide lists "the deathless wizard Fistandantilus" as a possible Undying patron for warlocks, so he is canonically around in 5E.
 
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Iry

Hero
As silly as they were, I always enjoyed those articles.
Undead Wizards Three would definitely be amazing.

I agree that Szass Tam would be invited ahead of Larloch for the realms. Szass Tam is much more popular. I would love to have Lord Soth show up, but he would be a miserable bump on the log and barely participate. At best he would show up and glower at people like The Simbul did. Vecna is way too popular to not have a spot at that table, so he would represent Oerth. You are right on the money with Strahd.

So Szass Tam, Vecna, and Strahd. With special guest appearances now and then by Soth, Fistandantilus, Acererak, Kaius, Malevanor, etc.

But they need someone to write everything down! I could be the same guy again, but if we need an undead you can dump Rhaugilath in the corner, just looking like a downcast puppy in chains while transcribing it.
 


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