Paizo To Make Kingmaker Bestiary... For D&D 5E!

Parmandur · May 8, 2019

Staffan said:
The Lord of the Rings movies are ancient by comparison. Return of the King was released in 2003, 16 years ago. Whatever effect they were going to have on D&D's popularity should have hit with 3e.

So, it came out when today's high school and college students were little kids, taking in pop culture. And it just grew from there.

MerricB · May 8, 2019

Morrus said:
Huh! I’d have bet a lot in it being Kobold Press.

I've got a feeling that Wolfgang and team are VERY busy with their own material.

I'm not entirely sure it'd be worth their while to do a conversion bestiary (profits likely split with Paizo) rather than just producing Tome of Beasts 3.

Cheers!

Morrus · May 8, 2019

Staffan said:
The Lord of the Rings movies are ancient by comparison. Return of the King was released in 2003, 16 years ago. Whatever effect they were going to have on D&D's popularity should have hit with 3e.

I think he has a point in that they were early examples of the mainstreaming of geek culture. It grew from then, but that's when geek culture started to feel like it was mainstream. The effects, of course, knocked on over years.

Mercador · May 8, 2019

Morrus said:
I think he has a point in that they were early examples of the mainstreaming of geek culture. It grew from then, but that's when geek culture started to feel like it was mainstream. The effects, of course, knocked on over years.

Yep, before LOTR, it's was pretty dry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fantasy_films_of_the_1990s

Though, I still think it's because of the Internet that "geek" is now cool. We don't use "nerds" anymore but it's pretty much the same.

MNblockhead · May 9, 2019

Staffan said:
The Lord of the Rings movies are ancient by comparison. Return of the King was released in 2003, 16 years ago. Whatever effect they were going to have on D&D's popularity should have hit with 3e.

Exactly. Those kids who grew up in a world where fantasy movies were blockbuster, Oscar-winning movies grew up to be today's millennial streaming their games on Youtube and Twitch.

I don't think you can point to one watershed moment. There has been a cultural shift. My generation of geeks from the 80s are now running companies, hosting TV shows, and fueling 80s-nostalgia shows like Stranger Things. The generation after us took our hobbies main stream and into their adulthood.

My kids are growing up never having known a world where comic super heroes, computer games, fantasy, scifi, and cos play were not mainstream.

robus · May 9, 2019

MNblockhead said:
Exactly. Those kids who grew up in a world where fantasy movies were blockbuster, Oscar-winning movies grew up to be today's millennial streaming their games on Youtube and Twitch.

I don't think you can point to one watershed moment. There has been a cultural shift. My generation of geeks from the 80s are now running companies, hosting TV shows, and fueling 80s-nostalgia shows like Stranger Things. The generation after us took our hobbies main stream and into their adulthood.

My kids are growing up never having known a world where comic super heroes, computer games, fantasy, scifi, and cos play were not mainstream.

Yep my daughter grew up quite the nerd, Star Trek characters at halloween, devouring Harry Potter. Briefly turned away during high school (as you do), but now thoroughly happy to indulge her interests once more. Only wish 5e had been around a few years earlier so we could have adventured together.

MNblockhead · May 9, 2019

robus said:
Yep my daughter grew up quite the nerd, Star Trek characters at halloween, devouring Harry Potter. Briefly turned away during high school (as you do), but now thoroughly happy to indulge her interests once more. Only wish 5e had been around a few years earlier so we could have adventured together.

You still can.

Olaf the Stout · May 9, 2019

I was a maybe until I discovered that I couldn’t get the bestiary by itself. That, combined with the AP being for PF, rather than 5E and a 2020 release date made it a no for me.

The Hierophant · May 9, 2019

Staffan said:
The Lord of the Rings movies are ancient by comparison. Return of the King was released in 2003, 16 years ago. Whatever effect they were going to have on D&D's popularity should have hit with 3e.

That’s sort of my point, but I disagree with your conclusion.

The ten year old who saw Return of the King in 2003 is 26 now and is right in the age group that seems to be picking up 5e.

And lots of children/teenagers wouldn’t have seen it then, they’d have seen it on DVD or TV later. So the 20-35 age group would have been at that age and I think it would have influenced them.

I think a stranger things is too recent. It’s D&D is helpful to 5e but it’s really just a homage to ET.