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These days there has been a lot of attention paid to things like Rotten Tomatoes with wildly divergent scores between critics and fans. This is both a positive score with critics and a negative score with fans along with critics hating something and fans loving it. Some things there has been a campaign of sorts to tank a score, while I kind of wonder the same thing with critics in regards. That or they just don't get some things.
I don't get some things either like animie so I tend not to rate it as I don't think I can do it fairly. Music that is not rock and metal is kind of in the same category.
Video Games are kind of similar but anything rating lower than say a 7 I probably won't buy while I might watch a TV show or movie rated lower than that. The reason for that is games tend to be a lot more expensive and require a greater amount of time. 6/10 is kind of average for a movie or TV show while 6/10 is bad for a game.
For some things I think a critic rates something on what I think that they think it should get vs what the product is, while other things are sometimes over rated. I am very strict with scores in my head if I watch something and enjoy it its probably a 7.5 or so while a something I really enjoy is 8.5-low 90's type score. 94 or 95%+ is very high for me and I would give almost nothing a score of 10/10 or 100%.
Now for example I will look at several thing with Rotten Tomatoes scores that are generally regarded as great by critics and audiences. The two scores I would use are critics first, audiences second.
The Empire Strikes back 95%/97%
This score for both I think is a good example. Generally considered the best Star Wars film and I would consider it one of the best movies ever but I'm a Star Wars fan and this movie is a prime example of why.
The Shawshank Redemption 91%/98%
Critics thought it was a very good movie, audiences loved it. I like this movie a lot as well, so would rate it a few points higher than 91% but not 98%.
The Wire 96%/96%
Generally regarded as one of the best TV shows ever made this is another great score. The show actually is that good IMHO, powerful, gripping, great story lines.
Breaking Bad 96/97%
If The Wire is not the best TV show of all time, Breaking Bad is another one in contention for it.
I put these example here of what I think great movies and TV shows are, kind of sets a baseline for very good/excellent.
Now I will look at several shows where critics and audiences diverge a bit or ones that have been targets of online campaigns torpedo them.
The Orville Season One 65%/94%
This is mostly because of season one 31%/94%, season 2 100%/94%. I think a few fans would say season one is better than 2. A rating of 31% is bad and that would mean borderline unwatchable for me. Season 2 is not that drastically different in tone or content though but 100%. This one here I think the critics got it wrong and the audience score is slightly high buy a couple of points for season one and maybe by 10 points for season 2.
Star Trek Discovery 82%/48%
This is one of those shows you think the score should be below 50% based on online reactions. Critics gave it 82%, fans 48%. However its one of those shows that has been targeted by online trolls but the critics are also wrong although the best episodes are around 82%. Personally I would rate it in the 60's overall the critics and audiences are both wrong, IMHO. A 75% score would be generous, below 60% well there is a lot worse.
The Last Jedi 91%/44%
Another movie targeted by online trolls, another movie with an over inflated critics score. Consider Return of the Jedi (81%/94&), or Star Wars 93%/96%. I think you would be hard pressed to claim this movie is better than any of the original trilogy. I found this movie OK on its on merits but bad as a Star Wars movie. Still the 44% score wold indicate its worse than The Phantom Menace 54%/59% and Attack of the Clones 65%/54%. Those two prequels I think the critics and fans are being honest, TLJ love it or hate it both scores are wrong IMHO. 91% is to high, 44% is to low. Not sure where I would put it it but its better than 2/3 of the prequels.
The Force Awakens 92%/87%
This score I think is fairly honest and accurate with the critics and audiences only mildly diverging. Not everyone likes Star Wars, not everyone likes this movie and it has a few minor problems and may not be that original. My personal views would line it up a bit more with the audience score and it sits in similar company to Rogue One and The Last Jedi in the Star Wars pantheon of quality IMHO.
Doctor Who 94%/ 56%
This is another show targeted by online trolls mostly because of Season 11 where they cast a women. Season 11 has a score of 91% and 21%. However season 10 has a score of 91% and 58%. Season 11 is marginally better than 10, but whoever gave season 10 a 91% rating fell down the stairs and hit their head a few times on the way down. The audience score for 10 is a lot more reliable IMHO (generous even). Basically beats me what the critics where thinking that being said the 21% rating is also very wrong IMHO. This is a prime example of critics rating a show based on what they think a show would get perhaps due to legacy value (earlier seasons were 91-94%). Its also a prime example of a vicious online campaign for season 11. The last good season was 7 or 8, the last great season was somewhere around 4-6 IMHO.
Put simply if you rate something over 90% it needs to be really really good with scores of around 95% being near perfect or at least as good as it gets. Below 60% is getting into unwatchable and its where I would rate shows on the decline that I have stopped watching (or on the borderline) or shows that were bad to begin with. Video games get less and I would only pay a sub 70% game if I knew the scores were wrong or the game was free/very cheap (gift, steam sales, or package deal). Shows also tend to start going downhill after season 4 or 5 (Dexter, Doctor Who, How I met Your Mother, Sons of Anarchy, Stargate SG1 etc etc).
I don't get some things either like animie so I tend not to rate it as I don't think I can do it fairly. Music that is not rock and metal is kind of in the same category.
Video Games are kind of similar but anything rating lower than say a 7 I probably won't buy while I might watch a TV show or movie rated lower than that. The reason for that is games tend to be a lot more expensive and require a greater amount of time. 6/10 is kind of average for a movie or TV show while 6/10 is bad for a game.
For some things I think a critic rates something on what I think that they think it should get vs what the product is, while other things are sometimes over rated. I am very strict with scores in my head if I watch something and enjoy it its probably a 7.5 or so while a something I really enjoy is 8.5-low 90's type score. 94 or 95%+ is very high for me and I would give almost nothing a score of 10/10 or 100%.
Now for example I will look at several thing with Rotten Tomatoes scores that are generally regarded as great by critics and audiences. The two scores I would use are critics first, audiences second.
The Empire Strikes back 95%/97%
This score for both I think is a good example. Generally considered the best Star Wars film and I would consider it one of the best movies ever but I'm a Star Wars fan and this movie is a prime example of why.
The Shawshank Redemption 91%/98%
Critics thought it was a very good movie, audiences loved it. I like this movie a lot as well, so would rate it a few points higher than 91% but not 98%.
The Wire 96%/96%
Generally regarded as one of the best TV shows ever made this is another great score. The show actually is that good IMHO, powerful, gripping, great story lines.
Breaking Bad 96/97%
If The Wire is not the best TV show of all time, Breaking Bad is another one in contention for it.
I put these example here of what I think great movies and TV shows are, kind of sets a baseline for very good/excellent.
Now I will look at several shows where critics and audiences diverge a bit or ones that have been targets of online campaigns torpedo them.
The Orville Season One 65%/94%
This is mostly because of season one 31%/94%, season 2 100%/94%. I think a few fans would say season one is better than 2. A rating of 31% is bad and that would mean borderline unwatchable for me. Season 2 is not that drastically different in tone or content though but 100%. This one here I think the critics got it wrong and the audience score is slightly high buy a couple of points for season one and maybe by 10 points for season 2.
Star Trek Discovery 82%/48%
This is one of those shows you think the score should be below 50% based on online reactions. Critics gave it 82%, fans 48%. However its one of those shows that has been targeted by online trolls but the critics are also wrong although the best episodes are around 82%. Personally I would rate it in the 60's overall the critics and audiences are both wrong, IMHO. A 75% score would be generous, below 60% well there is a lot worse.
The Last Jedi 91%/44%
Another movie targeted by online trolls, another movie with an over inflated critics score. Consider Return of the Jedi (81%/94&), or Star Wars 93%/96%. I think you would be hard pressed to claim this movie is better than any of the original trilogy. I found this movie OK on its on merits but bad as a Star Wars movie. Still the 44% score wold indicate its worse than The Phantom Menace 54%/59% and Attack of the Clones 65%/54%. Those two prequels I think the critics and fans are being honest, TLJ love it or hate it both scores are wrong IMHO. 91% is to high, 44% is to low. Not sure where I would put it it but its better than 2/3 of the prequels.
The Force Awakens 92%/87%
This score I think is fairly honest and accurate with the critics and audiences only mildly diverging. Not everyone likes Star Wars, not everyone likes this movie and it has a few minor problems and may not be that original. My personal views would line it up a bit more with the audience score and it sits in similar company to Rogue One and The Last Jedi in the Star Wars pantheon of quality IMHO.
Doctor Who 94%/ 56%
This is another show targeted by online trolls mostly because of Season 11 where they cast a women. Season 11 has a score of 91% and 21%. However season 10 has a score of 91% and 58%. Season 11 is marginally better than 10, but whoever gave season 10 a 91% rating fell down the stairs and hit their head a few times on the way down. The audience score for 10 is a lot more reliable IMHO (generous even). Basically beats me what the critics where thinking that being said the 21% rating is also very wrong IMHO. This is a prime example of critics rating a show based on what they think a show would get perhaps due to legacy value (earlier seasons were 91-94%). Its also a prime example of a vicious online campaign for season 11. The last good season was 7 or 8, the last great season was somewhere around 4-6 IMHO.
Put simply if you rate something over 90% it needs to be really really good with scores of around 95% being near perfect or at least as good as it gets. Below 60% is getting into unwatchable and its where I would rate shows on the decline that I have stopped watching (or on the borderline) or shows that were bad to begin with. Video games get less and I would only pay a sub 70% game if I knew the scores were wrong or the game was free/very cheap (gift, steam sales, or package deal). Shows also tend to start going downhill after season 4 or 5 (Dexter, Doctor Who, How I met Your Mother, Sons of Anarchy, Stargate SG1 etc etc).
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