Tony Vargas
Legend
Edition warring, in the brief 4e era, during the playtest, and right now, in this thread, has generally been initiated /against/ 4e. This is no exception. 4e is dead, you got to help kill it, you got to dance and spit all over it's grave. But, now, with 4e taking a /slight/ lead, in a trivial little 2nd-favorite-edition-after-5e poll, you're at it again.Those of us around back in 2012/13 are more than aware of the number of 4e fans who were very upset and engaged in edition warring. Most warlord threads to this day turn into edition warring pretty quickly.
Why? What possible threat could 4e be to you now, that you need to lash out at it, and anyone who ever played it?
Not nearly as many times, as: "I get it, you hate 4e, so why do you keep posting over and over about how much you hate it on a 4e forum?" How many times did how many people say "you still have your books and can still play 3e, right?" Something which never made the least impression. But, hey, let's try it again:How many times did how many people keep saying "I get it, you hate 5e, so why do you keep posting over and over about how much you hate it on a 5e forum?" How many times did how many people say "WoTC isn't fracturing the player base, you still have your books and can still play 4e, right?"
"I get it, you hate 4e, so why do you keep posting over and over about how much you hate it on a 5e forum?" "You still have your books and can still play 3e. Or Pathfinder. Or OSR games. Or even 5e. Right?"
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But even that's a false equivalency. The edition war was a tidal wave of negativity. Any trickles of negativity you see dampening 5e's parade may also be made of metaphorical water, but they're not comparable...
...and more than fair share of what negativity there is flows from veteran h4ters, for whom 5e is still too 4e-ish.
Based on what? Based on this little poll, fans of 2e & 4e are clearly pretty accepting of 5e relative to fans of 3e or 0e.I don't think fans of any edition are more willing or accepting of 5e than any other.
But, seriously, being inclined to adopt a new edition - each new edition, 6e if it ever happens - if it is in any way a matter of personality traits rather than strictly in-the-moment - is something you would need to have had in generous measure to even /try/ 4e into the teeth of the firestorm that accompanied it's release, not to mention the general mishandling of that release by WotC, let alone give it a fair enough chance to actually form a positive opinion of it.
That's tending to reject new editions, obviously. And, yeah, OSR fans had a lot of experience rejecting the current ed. Heck, some of them rejected AD&D and defected to Arduin Grimoire. The didn't have internet forums to edition-war on, though, c1979.Maybe the OSR fans because they've gone so long being officially unsupported that they had no expectations of being officially back in the mix so to them, after ignoring 3e and 4e (literally over a decade), what would one new edition mean? We all long ago came to the acceptance that we'd just stick with our current stuff.
Clearly you do feel the need. But, you are talking about the Next playtest, and, yes, everyone was shouting to get their favorite thing included, afterall, it was a playtest, feedback, both formal, in polls, and shouting the loudest in the forums, was clearly to be expected. That's hardly the same thing as edition warring - there /was/ edition warring, against 4e, all through the Next playtest, though, just as there is, right now, in this thread.I don't need to tell anyone that there was plenty of edition warring and anger back in 2012-2014 from 4e fans.
Completely superfluous though it may be.
That horse really is dead. The ed is out of print, the tools that supported it obsolete, there's no OGL, no PF or OSR-like clone. It's dead.
Calm down, 4e can't hurt you anymore.