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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrosanct View Post
    Couldn't you make a clone and release it on DM's Guild to avoid the hassle of sticking to the OGL since the DM'sGuild allows a lot more IP usage?
    Not if you want to build an enduring standalone brand of your own. Depends on your long term plans, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Vargas View Post
    Nothing snaps a h4ter back to full edition war mode
    Edition wars havent been a thing for years. Language like h4ter is only used by those still trying to hang on to them. Please do not use terminology like that here again. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreyLord View Post

    Tiefling and Dragonborn also cannot be utilized. I'm more likely to go with the term of Dragonmen or Dracs or Dracomen instead for Dragonborn...Tieflings on the otherhand...unsure.
    The terms tiefling and dragonborn absolutely can be used. Tieflings are in the 3e srds in the monster section under planetouched and dragonborn are in the 5e srd and you can use OGC from any OGL product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voadam View Post
    The terms tiefling and dragonborn absolutely can be used. Tieflings are in the 3e srds in the monster section under planetouched and dragonborn are in the 5e srd and you can use OGC from any OGL product.
    I was under the impression that the SRD didn't necessarily allow all of it to be used under the OGL, I could be mistaken though. If is covered as useable under the 3e OGL, then that would mean we are good to go with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Vargas View Post
    at time's I've looked up something in OSRIC and it seemed word-for-word identical.
    Well, some people think that OSRIC is on the margins (or crossing the margins) of copyright infringement. @S'mon and I have discussed this before - I'm a bit more doubtful of its legality than S'mon but he's the better IP lawyer of the two of us - so probably it's OK! (If only just.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zardnaar View Post
    You can't use Dragonborn, Warlords, Tieflings etc as they are not covered.
    Quote Originally Posted by GreyLord View Post
    Warlord should not be a problem in my opinion. Many OGL products have classes that have similar or the same name as D&D. WotC can copyright the Warlord as a specific thing, but the actual Word Warlord should be able to be used in an OGL product.

    Obviously, just as with the other classes (and this would apply to ANY class) it cannot be a copy and paste job and must be original and in accordance with the OGL.

    As Warlord as a description of a military leader has been in use for over a millennia, I do not see a difficulty in using it in the same context as it's dictionary definition for a class that operates as a leader. It should be fine using it as a class name in relation to the dictionary meaning which WotC cannot copyright (unless they take a LOT more than simply one small group to court).

    If people still feel it is problematic we could change it's term to Military officer or Regal, Noble, or something else.
    Quote Originally Posted by gyor View Post
    Change warlord to Commander, it's a better name and a more accurate discription of the actual class which often isn't being played as someone who is an actual warlord.
    For warlord I would suggest the Tolkienesque battle captain.

    But anyway I agree it's not a problem if you're not using WotC's IP (ie neither their text nor their trade dress).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pemerton View Post
    Well, some people think that OSRIC is on the margins (or crossing the margins) of copyright infringement. @S'mon and I have discussed this before - I'm a bit more doubtful of its legality than S'mon but he's the better IP lawyer of the two of us - so probably it's OK! (If only just.)
    I wonder if it isn't also something WotC just saw the wisdom in letting slide? The OSR movement has arguably been good for 5e, building buzz around D&D and it's status in the history of hobby games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreyLord View Post
    I was under the impression that the SRD didn't necessarily allow all of it to be used under the OGL, I could be mistaken though. If is covered as useable under the 3e OGL, then that would mean we are good to go with them.
    From page one of the 5e SRD:
    Spoiler:

    The following
    items
    are
    designated
    Product
    Identity,
    as
    defined
    in
    Section
    1(e)
    of
    the
    Open
    Game
    License
    Version
    1.0a,
    and
    are
    subject
    to
    the
    conditions
    set
    forth
    in
    Section
    7
    of
    the
    OGL,
    and
    are
    not
    Open
    Content:

    Dungeons
    &
    Dragons,
    D&D,
    Players
    Handbook,
    Dungeon
    Master,
    Monster
    Manual,
    d20
    System,
    Wizards
    of
    the
    Coast,
    d20
    (when
    used
    as
    a
    trademark),
    Forgotten
    Realms,
    Faern,
    proper
    names
    (including
    those
    used
    in
    the
    names
    of
    spells
    or
    items),
    places,
    Underdark,
    Red
    Wizard
    of
    Thay,
    the
    City
    of
    Union,
    Heroic
    Domains
    of
    Ysgard,
    Ever-‐‑
    Changing
    Chaos
    of
    Limbo,
    Windswept
    Depths
    of
    Pandemonium,
    Infinite
    Layers
    of
    the
    Abyss,
    Tarterian
    Depths
    of
    Carceri,
    Gray
    Waste
    of
    Hades,
    Bleak
    Eternity
    of
    Gehenna,
    Nine
    Hells
    of
    Baator,
    Infernal
    Battlefield
    of
    Acheron,
    Clockwork
    Nirvana
    of
    Mechanus,
    Peaceable
    Kingdoms
    of
    Arcadia,
    Seven
    Mounting
    Heavens
    of
    Celestia,
    Twin
    Paradises
    of
    Bytopia,
    Blessed
    Fields
    of
    Elysium,
    Wilderness
    of
    the
    Beastlands,
    Olympian
    Glades
    of
    Arborea,
    Concordant
    Domain
    of
    the
    Outlands,
    Sigil,
    Lady
    of
    Pain,
    Book
    of
    Exalted
    Deeds,
    Book
    of
    Vile
    Darkness,
    beholder,
    gauth,
    carrion
    crawler,
    tanarri,
    baatezu,
    displacer
    beast,
    githyanki,
    githzerai,
    mind
    flayer,
    illithid,
    umber
    hulk,
    yuan-‐‑ti.

    All
    of
    the
    rest
    of
    the
    SRD5
    is
    Open
    Game
    Content
    as
    described
    in
    Section
    1(d)
    of
    the
    License.


    I sblocked it because their PDF is terrible and every word copied out is turned into its own line.

    The specific names of planes, some monsters that were not OGC in 3.5, and little bits like dungeon master and D&D and Forgotten Realms and Underdark are all PI and cannot be used if you use the OGC from the 5e srd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voadam View Post
    I sblocked it because their PDF is terrible and every word copied out is turned into its own line.
    So, you sblocked it instead of simply editing it into a single paragraph? *gives Voadam the stink eye*

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyor View Post
    Change warlord to Commander, it's a better name and a more accurate discription of the actual class which often isn't being played as someone who is an actual warlord. .
    Paladins are rarely being played as knights of Charlemagne, nor or Sorcerers as gaining their powers from spirits, nor Clerics as issueing fatwas.

    Commander is much narrower, and more strongly implies just barking orders (one of the more controversial visualizations), rather than inspiration, leading by example, executing cooperative maneuvers or giving tactical advice.

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