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    Quote Originally Posted by gyor View Post
    In this setting people leave on planets and moons within the Dyson Sphere. It's not a Hollow Earth setting, a Dyson Sphere is the size of a solar system in this case with hundreds of inhabited planets and moons inside.
    Sounds like a Crystal sphere. Dyson spheres are usually a lit smaller than a solar system normally 1AU.

    Even one that size is huge in area. You could fit the Star Wars Galactic Empire and WH40k Empire of man in it and use less than 1% of the surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Farquhar View Post
    In one of the stories (I think it might have been "Trapped in the Sea of Stars") Fafhrd and the Mouser go on a long sea voyage to the other side of the world, where they realise that the "stars" are the lights of cities on the other side of the sphere, and waterspouts they encounter actually support planets an other heavenly bodies.
    Just re-read that story to check. First, it isn't, "they realize." It is Grey Mouser pontificating that the world is a bubble, with Fafhr basically telling him he's full of it and making things up.

    And it isn't that the stars are cities, and the waterspouts support planets. Mouser says that they are in a bubble - mostly ocean with the continents they know adrift on the inside of it. When Fafhrd asks then why they, far at sea, cannot see the stars in the water, Mouser says that you can only see the stars looking down the centers of the waterspouts from above. He has to do similar things to explain how the sun and the moon are not visible. Mouser has to go so far as to posit the existence of two different kinds of light to explain why they can't see some things. It is all very... stretched, to make it work out.

    The story contains no evidence that Mouser is correct that I can find. It is all merely philosophy they talk over, while avoiding death and such. Like they do.

    And, if anyone on Nehwon is an unreliable source of information... it is Grey Mouser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    Wait a minute. They have magic enough to build a "magical Dyson sphere"... a magical structure that engulfs an entire star, but need to study magic?

    This idea hangs together much better if the Sphere itself is not magical at all. Tech aliens may need to study magic. Magic aliens, not so much.

    Also, if you haven't, go read Larry Niven's novel Ringworld. It doesn't bother with an entire sphere, but uses a ring, which is plenty big enough. The point of a Dyson sphere is to catch all the radiation output of a star for your civilization to use. If you're not doing that, the entire sphere simply isn't necessary.
    They know how to use, they are super smart after all, but they don't know WHY it works, snd it drivescthem nuts. They have the how, although that knowledge is always increasing, but the why preplexes them.

    And the Arcane Dyson Sphere isn't so much difficult in skill to build for races that have built tech versions in the hundreds, it's more just a use of man power.

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    Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    Wait a minute. They have magic enough to build a "magical Dyson sphere"... a magical structure that engulfs an entire star, but need to study magic?

    This idea hangs together much better if the Sphere itself is not magical at all. Tech aliens may need to study magic. Magic aliens, not so much.

    Also, if you haven't, go read Larry Niven's novel Ringworld. It doesn't bother with an entire sphere, but uses a ring, which is plenty big enough. The point of a Dyson sphere is to catch all the radiation output of a star for your civilization to use. If you're not doing that, the entire sphere simply isn't necessary.
    It might be necessary for the "studying magic in isolation" aspect. After all, the side-effect of keeping all of the star's output inside is that you keep everything else out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Farquhar View Post
    Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
    I have often said this myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkB View Post
    It might be necessary for the "studying magic in isolation" aspect. After all, the side-effect of keeping all of the star's output inside is that you keep everything else out.
    Perhaps the technologically advanced makers of the Dyson sphere are trying to keep things IN. They are not just studying magic, but actively trying to keep it quarantined. Magic could wreak havoc in the greater universe, and they wouldn’t want that to happen.

    ...again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannyalcatraz View Post
    Perhaps the technologically advanced makers of the Dyson sphere are trying to keep things IN. They are not just studying magic, but actively trying to keep it quarantined. Magic could wreak havoc in the greater universe, and they wouldn’t want that to happen.

    ...again.
    This reminds me of The Darkwar Trilogy, by Glen Cook...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyor View Post
    They know how to use, they are super smart after all, but they don't know WHY it works, snd it drivescthem nuts.
    I admit I am coming at this from the direction of a physicist, so accept that bias...

    But you can't go using a tool to make a structure *on the scale of a solar system* without knowing why that tool works. That sounds implausible, to me. I mean, the structure itself is implausible to start with. The idea that the makers don't know why the tools they used to make it work? That stretched credulity. For me, anyway.

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