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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanefan View Post
    It is now, because he's been dead long enough, but I'm not sure that was the case in the late 1970's. Lovecraft died in 1937, and I think at the time 1e was published it was a 50-year wait before works hit the public domain (so, 1987). Then the law was changed to 75 years (so, 2012); hence the recent explosion of Lovecraft-based material.
    The issue as I understand it was that the works were actually in the public domain from the time of death. Copyright as life +75 (or whatever figure) is dependent on copyright assertion in the first place. While we tend to think of this as a foundational truth now, to struggling pulp writers in the 1920s this was often the last thing they thought about. Lovecraft died without heirs; Derleth represented himself as the copyright assignee, without actual legal basis. Nobody cared enough to check for a long, long time, and in truth sorting this out would be a Herculean task. (Can you imagine what the "recordkeeping" of Weird Tales looked like? The stuff that survived? You can get an idea from Syracuse University as part of the Street and Smith collection, https://library.syr.edu/scrc/collections/areas/pulp.php.)
    I'm also thinking Conan is in a similar position owing to the circumstances around Howard's career and death.

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    The US copyright of Lovecraft's works is a complicated matter. Whether Lovecraft's works were or were not in copyright in 1980, when Deities was published, would have hinged upon the valid renewal of their copyrights 28 years after their initial publication. (The works would have been in copyright for a minimum of 28 years after publication.) The Copyright Act of 1976 significantly lengthened copyrights in the US. Based on current law in 1980 and Arkham House's practices at the time, both TSR and Chaosium had good reason to believe they needed permission from Arkham House to use the material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrus View Post
    I have two copies for some reason, plus a Legends & Lore.
    Same here. One has my name in my 14 year old scrawl, but the other? Clearly I have one of my first gaming group buddys book. Sorry man!

    Also, where can I see the list of books Mr Ward mentions at the beginning of the article? From Gods Demigods and Heros? I dont have that book. Sounds like an early Appendix N.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisshorb View Post
    Same here. One has my name in my 14 year old scrawl, but the other? Clearly I have one of my first gaming group buddys book. Sorry man!

    Also, where can I see the list of books Mr Ward mentions at the beginning of the article? From Gods Demigods and Heros? I dont have that book. Sounds like an early Appendix N.
    The "Golden Bough" is a work on comparative religion and mythology by anthropologist James Frazer. It used to be one of the standard references on Mythology, it was written in the 1890s iirc. "Gods, Demigods and Heroes" is the 4th supplement for the original D&D game of course. I don't recall it having a list of references in it though. I'll have to look. My D&D and AD&D books are shelved in the bedroom and the wife's asleep. Waking her up (it's midnight here) looking for an old game book would be a mythological disaster of sorts I'll look tomorrow...

    *edit* Typos...

    *edit* And in the (late) morning, no list of sources in GD&H.
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    So will we see another iteration of this tome for 5E? What pantheons would it have? Any fictitious ones, like the gods of Westeros? Maybe a voudou pantheon of loas? There are lots of possibilities...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samloyal23 View Post
    So will we see another iteration of this tome for 5E? What pantheons would it have? Any fictitious ones, like the gods of Westeros? Maybe a voudou pantheon of loas? There are lots of possibilities...
    No likely. By today's 5e standards you would have to do several books (4-8) to cover all of the content in the 1e Deities and Demigods and updated it to 5e. That is just not going to happen by WotC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave2008 View Post
    No likely. By today's 5e standards you would have to do several books (4-8) to cover all of the content in the 1e Deities and Demigods and updated it to 5e. That is just not going to happen by WotC.
    I would be happy with a series of pdf addendums to just update the stats to 5E...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samloyal23 View Post
    I would be happy with a series of pdf addendums to just update the stats to 5E...
    Well, I'm kinda working on that
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    Dave, you should have a signature that has a link for your epic monster thread, great stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EthanSental View Post
    Dave, you should have a signature that has a link for your epic monster thread, great stuff!
    That's a god idea

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