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    Speaking only for myself, I didn't stop watching TBBT because I found their handling of 'geek subjects' offensive … I stopped watching it because I realized I didn't particularly like any of these people.

    (Now, some of the plot points with Sheldon's mother? Those I found mildly offensive.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    There are differences, though.

    The issue at hand isn't that they are "scientists". It is that they are people matching geek stereotypes. They aren't the butt of the jokes for being scientists - they are being the butt of jokes because of their stereotypical behaviors - behaviors for which geeks have traditionally already been made fun of for having.

    You are taking a subculture that has been traditionally marginalized, and making fun of the things for which they were marginalized.
    I understand that some people feel that way about the show. I don't share that feeling, though.

    I don't love the show or anything, but I think it's fine. No better or worse than other sitcoms. Plus they mention Batman sometimes.

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    Mom was a big fan of TBBT, but I found it merely OK. I’d watch it with her if I were around her when it was on, but didn’t watch it on my own.

    In part, my disinterest was due to me being in a group that had some...similar dynamics. I didn’t need the show to experience those kinds of interactions.

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    As a STEM (engineer) person, I didn't find anything about TBBT offensive, I haven't watched it a lot. Mostly it seemed about academics, and I'm in the field, what I do is mundane enough that no-one would make a TV program about it. I have helped other engineers get jobs at Boeing or Tesla, that would be more exciting than an elevator installation. STEM people as a rule aren't into very geeky stuff, for example, I sometimes have a pint with propulsion engineers from Neil Armstrong hall of engineering, and only one out of the group actually likes science fiction. It's a pretty button down group overall, STEM people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrus View Post
    I understand that some people feel that way about the show. I don't share that feeling, though.
    So, a possibly relevant question (for anyone, really) that is somewhat personal so you don't need to answer it publicly, but bears consideration:

    Were you, as a kid, bullied for having some of the personality traits seen in the show's main characters? Did you get (socially) pushed around or demeaned for being a geek/nerd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    So, a possibly relevant question (for anyone, really) that is somewhat personal so you don't need to answer it publicly, but bears consideration:

    Were you, as a kid, bullied for having some of the personality traits seen in the show's main characters? Did you get (socially) pushed around or demeaned for being a geek/nerd?
    No. I was definitely a geek, and hung around with my geek friends, but there was no bullying. I get that other people have different experiences.

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    If you asked Young Ralif about the future of pop culture, he might have predicted a second Star Wars trilogy, but certainly not a third. Never in a million years would he have guessed that a major fantasy book series would become one of the top live action television series. That the comics he read would be adapted into anything more than low-budget cheapies or cartoons. Heck, he wouldn’t have even guessed at a long-running sitcom about a bunch of nerds and geeks.

    It’s entirely amazing that all this happened at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    There are differences, though.

    The issue at hand isn't that they are "scientists". It is that they are people matching geek stereotypes. They aren't the butt of the jokes for being scientists - they are being the butt of jokes because of their stereotypical behaviors - behaviors for which geeks have traditionally already been made fun of for having.

    You are taking a subculture that has been traditionally marginalized, and making fun of the things for which they were marginalized.
    So is there similar rage against Knight of the Dinner Table? It clearly focuses on many of the same dynamics and foibles of the gamer subculture. It's no more kind to its targets (maybe even less because the characters are more stereotypical and less generally humanized than BBT). Does it get a pass because its author is more clearly a gamer geek than the writers of BBT? Because it circulates within the gamer subculture rather than among millions of viewers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    So, a possibly relevant question (for anyone, really) that is somewhat personal so you don't need to answer it publicly, but bears consideration:

    Were you, as a kid, bullied for having some of the personality traits seen in the show's main characters? Did you get (socially) pushed around or demeaned for being a geek/nerd?
    Personally, yes. But I was also bullied for being black, for being overweight, for being Catholic and other things, so it all blended together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    So, a possibly relevant question (for anyone, really) that is somewhat personal so you don't need to answer it publicly, but bears consideration:

    Were you, as a kid, bullied for having some of the personality traits seen in the show's main characters? Did you get (socially) pushed around or demeaned for being a geek/nerd?
    Sure, but look at the culture around us. The stuff we used to be the only ones admitting to obsessively following? It's freaking everywhere. It's our biggest movies. It's all over the shopping malls in Hot Topic and Box Lunch. It generated one of the most successful sitcoms on television as well as one of the most successful shows on a subscription cable network. If there's a culture clash going on, we're not losing it. We're thriving.

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