How many 1st level Fighers can an 11th Level Fighter Kill?

Garthanos · Jun 19, 2019

Sword of Spirit said:
To see how they would fair against an assumed group of soldiers or guards, use the actual “guard” stat block in the game (since actual fighters are more powerful) maybe giving one of them max hp as the leader. To shake it up more, throw in a veteran as a leader.

YES the number of fighters is not even interesting to me

ParanoydStyle · Jun 19, 2019

Azzy said:
No, shields are fine—you just can't use a weapon in the other hand. This was covered in Sage Advice.

Huh, that's weird. Could have sworn...hmm, well I stand corrected. Dueling fighting style is a fair bit better than I thought.

OB1 · Jun 19, 2019

Great stuff here. Would absolutely love to see the simulation using an 11th level wizard at the center.
Also curious as to how a 20th level fighter fares. I’m guessing they could handle at least 30 on average.

LordEntrails · Jun 19, 2019

OB1 said:
Great stuff here. Would absolutely love to see the simulation using an 11th level wizard at the center.

Melee or ranged? And wouldn't any group of mooks just grapple the wizard? Who would be dumb enough to let him get off more than one fireball etc?

Tony Vargas · Jun 19, 2019

LordEntrails said:
Melee or ranged? And wouldn't any group of mooks just grapple the wizard? Who would be dumb enough to let him get off more than one fireball etc?

Grabbing just keeps you from running away in 5e, they'd have to immobilize both his hands if the spell had S components, or gag him to stop V components, but those aren't things the Grappled condition covers.
There's no OA for casting in melee and no reduction in effectiveness unless the spell attacks AC.

5e doesn't evoke the classic game in /all/ instances. ;(

Stalker0 · Jun 19, 2019

Since the topic seems popular, I wanted to do more scenarios, such as wizards vs wizards. It’s a a greater challenge to assess for sure.

Tony Vargas · Jun 20, 2019

Stalker0 said:
Since the topic seems popular, I wanted to do more scenarios, such as wizards vs wizards. It’s a a greater challenge to assess for sure.

To start with, try the visiting alumni vs the graduating class, but, for the sake of simplicity - almost as simple as the mob of fighters vs the champion - limit everyone to just casting Magic Missile. See how that goes.

...then add shield...

DND_Reborn · Jun 20, 2019

Gladius Legis said:
True, although in the Paladin's case he's got Aura of Protection CHA bonus to the CON save to partially make up for that.

Excellent point! I had forgotten about that.

Stalker0 said:
Since the topic seems popular, I wanted to do more scenarios, such as wizards vs wizards. It’s a a greater challenge to assess for sure.

Tony Vargas said:
To start with, try the visiting alumni vs the graduating class, but, for the sake of simplicity - almost as simple as the mob of fighters vs the champion - limit everyone to just casting Magic Missile. See how that goes.

...then add shield...

I did a 1st-level Fighter vs a 1st-level Wizard before. If I recall correctly, the Wizard has the edge. I will look around to see if I can find the file... it was months ago.

As far as other scenarios go, I can do most of them if we keep the parameters at least slightly simple. If you have a request, let me know and I'll get to them when I can.

DND_Reborn · Jun 20, 2019

OB1 said:
Great stuff here. Would absolutely love to see the simulation using an 11th level wizard at the center.
Also curious as to how a 20th level fighter fares. I’m guessing they could handle at least 30 on average.

I did this quickly, so I am not sure I got all the improvements from 11th to 20th, but if I did the average is roughly 24.78 with SD of about 5.44 for 100,000 simulations (this is without flanking).

Stalker0 · Jun 20, 2019

dnd4vr said:
I did this quickly, so I am not sure I got all the improvements from 11th to 20th, but if I did the average is roughly 24.78 with SD of about 5.44 for 100,000 simulations (this is without flanking).

The big stuff:

1) 20 con, so more hp, on top of more hp!
2) Slightly higher crit modifier
3) +2 more attack, and one extra attack every round.
4) The big one....heals 10 damage every round once at half. That is by far the biggest factor I'm sure. I would also assume that he saves his second wind until much later to milk this advantage.
5) One more action surge.