CapnZapp
Legend
Yes. So?
Is Pathfinder 2 Paizo's 4E?
Parmandur
Book-Friend
Yeah, exactly. The playtest did not give the impression that the designers were on a journey of discovery with their fans, which is what made the Next playtest a marketing hit.
Parmandur
Book-Friend
There is heavy sense of irony to the situation.
Tony Vargas
Legend
Playtest?
Seriously, though, if the point was ditching the small, established, loyal market for the much, much larger potential market of /people who might like your game if it didn't suck quite as hard/, then just coasting on name recognition as your marketing strategy, so that you only reach that established base you just cut loose, just might have been at cross purposes.
But, I exaggerate.
A bit.
Starfinder went well, right?
Superheroes, though? How would they work "...finder" into that? Crimefinders? Justicefinders Society?
Actually, I'd think (and I've never made a right prediction like this yet) that the thing to do, in the face of 5e's even-wilder-than-d20s-wild success, would be to happily go back to making APs and accessories for D&D.
PF subscribers could get versions with PF stats, perhaps?
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Parmandur
Book-Friend
Honestly, that's where the money would be. The superhero is more of a for example: any other genre would do. Starfinder is a top 5 seller, currently the 4th biggest RPG in the hobby market, after Star Wars and Legend of the Five Rings.
Tony Vargas
Legend
After L5R? What did L5R do?
Parmandur
Book-Friend
Fantasy Flight released a new RPG edition last October: it's the second best seller in hobby stores as of Fall 2018, between D&D and Star Wars.
Nope. As a player that has played all versions of D&D since the beginning, PF2 is nothing like 4E. It is far more like 5E. Even that comparison is off. It's more of its own game testing a bunch of new ideas, some of them very interesting, some questionable, and it will take some time to figure out.
That's clearly the case with monsters.
However, whilst probably no edition of D&D has used exactly the same rules for PCs and NPCs, the rules were very similar up until 4th edition, which was a massive change in the way NPCs were statted up. 5th edition dialled it back a lot, but the NPCs still look bizarre to me - an NPC might have 15 hit dice, cast as a 9th level wizard and have the proficiency bonus of a 7th level character. In a funny kind of way, 4th edition NPCs made more "sense" to me - "he's a senior cultist of Orcus, his stat block is nothing like yours because his life path has been very different to yours" - rather than 5th edition's "he's a wizard Jim, but not as we know it".
I don't think Paizo are making their business decisions out of pride and resentment, and I'm surprised you would suggest they are.
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