D&D 5E What spells should have had the ritual tag, but don't?
WaterRabbit
Explorer
The problem here is that the target is any willing creature instead of just self. If I was just self, then I could see it being a ritual. But with the duration of 8 hours, you could buff the entire party just before going into a heist or something of that nature.
Yup, you could. I'm picturing everyone stripping out of armor to be more stealthy. Honestly, that's a cool use of mage armor, and the cost of 4-5 1st level spell slots isn't particularly low either. Can I envision a party that just mages armor's every day rather than wear armor if it were a ritual? Yeah, I guess, but the effectiveness there would depend on the length of the ritual. 10 minutes isn't much a barrier, but something closer to 45 or an hour is, and that would be the way (or one way at least) to balance additional ritual spells
WaterRabbit
Explorer
Except there isn't any cost if it is a ritual except the time.
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I haven't picked any nits.
And you’ve misunderstood quite resoundingly. This most recent exchange hasn’t been about whether mage Armor is broken, so I don’t know why you’re going back to that. What we have been debating is whether mage Armor can be considered effectively “always on”.
Mistwell and I have been stating that it isn’t because a player doesn’t know when a combat might happen, and you have been countering that argument by saying that constant combat would be wierd. But that is a non sequitor. We aren’t talking about how often combat occur, but when they occur, and the fact that their occurrence is unpredictable.
bedir than
Full Moon Storyteller
Wish
That's my point. If you up the time it becomes an actual cost. If it took 2 or 3 hours to mage armor the whole party it would lose some luster, wouldn't it? That applies generally to ritual spam, and it's a easy way to prevent a bunch of abuse if you decide to make more spells into rituals. i'm comparing that to the non-ritual spell slot cost.
Yaarel
He Mage
I guess you do misunderstand.
You are saying: Mage Armor isnt always on, because whether or not you need to cast it once or twice in a day is unpredictable.
I am saying: The unpredictability itself is negligible if it *SELDOM* happens. If on most days, one only needs to cast it once, then NORMALLY it is equivalent to always-on.
Also, when you argue it is less than always on, you havent commented on how turning Mage Armor into a ritual makes it an even more powerful spell by making it always on.
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Do you have ten minutes to cast a ritual when you are being ambushed in the night? Do you have ten minutes to cast a ritual while pursuing an enemy or searching for clues to why something is happening or who the true enemy is? What about when fleeing from a too powerful foe, or negotiating a peaceful resolution to a tense situation?
We are saying that the only way for something to be always on, is by being always on (or lasting 24 hours). Some days, I’d have plenty of time to ritual cast a second times, other days there’d be no way in hell I’d waste that time, or my companions would allow it/wait for me, or circumstance would let me even complete the ritual uninterrupted.
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