RFC: Iconic D&D Cities

Gradine

The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
I wouldn't mind adding Stormreach, but I'd rather hear an argument for subtracting something else.

IMO (and only mine), Judge's Guild and City State of the Invincible Overlord is kind of an ur-City setting for D&D.

The line between 3PP and TSR products was slightly different then, and Judge's Guild was official. When I think of the original city setting for D&D, that's what I think of (because Free City of GH and Blackmoor weren't out in the wild for people to use).

Maybe remove the Birthright setting? I have no idea on that one.

I've heard of both Lankhmar and Birthright (though I can't say I've heard of Anuire); the only one still on the list I had to google was Hammerfall (and even then, I can't seem to find much beyond someone's homebrew OD&D setting/city and typos regarding the Elder Scrolls nation Hammerfell).
 

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Shiroiken

Legend
For suggestions, either put in the Campaign (and explain why it is more important to that campaign than the one listed) or in Others and suggest a removal. :)
I don't have anything to add, but I have some suggested reasons why something might be removed. I think your list is pretty solid as is.

Blackmoor
Um, Blackmoor
Technically, I could see Blackmoor removed, since it was never an "official" setting for the public. It got absorbed and refitted by Greyhawk and Mystara.

Could be removed, since it was absorbed and refitted by Realms, even if it did exist as a stand alone setting for a while.

Birthright
Anuire? (CAN ANYONE CONFIRM?)
Anuire was the capital of the empire that got divided when the last emperor died (source: Iron Throne novel). Might not even exist in modern Birthright (I can't find my books). I could see it removed because the setting focused on regions/nations, rather than cities.

Shadowdale
I don't think this actually qualifies as a city or town, but more of a region. Not as familar with the Dalelands, so can't confirm.
 

gyor

Legend
Too many threads; in addition, FR, GH are the only ones that could really produce any meaningful discussion. And FR would have the additional issue of having other settings in it (such as AQ).

Planescape could you have sigil, various gate towns, city like after lifes like Eridan in Jealousy's Heart, major cities in Hell, the capital of the Githyanki.
 

You could easily get there with Eberron as well, but I highly doubt anything other than Sharn would take it in the end. Maybe Stormreach, which is basically your home base/point of light/only bastion of civilization for any Xen'drik based campaigns.
I'd definitely put Stormreach, perhaps not as a competitor to Sharn, but as a complement.
Sharn exemplifies the Eberron themes of noir, the politics of assorted Houses and other factions, manifest zones etc. Stormreach exhibits the themes of exploration into the unknown, mysterious races with their own agendas, the fallen empires that shaped the setting's history, and the blazing rings of elemental flying ships are often visible over its sky.
If it helps, Stormreach is also the major setting of the Dungeons and Dragons Online MMO.

I get that the intent is to only include one city per setting, but I don't know how you can have an iconic cities survivor thread and not include Baldur's Gate; and not just because of the peripheral stuff (video games and comics); my understanding is that Murder in Baldur's Gate is a pretty well-loved module as well.
I don't really know enough to do so, but perhaps some of the FR buffs could give a run-down of what makes Neverwinter and Waterdeep for example, distinctively iconic to the Realms compared to Baldur's gate.
They're being big and famous within the setting, but I'm not sure what criteria that you're using for "iconic".
 


gyor

Legend
I'd definitely put Stormreach, perhaps not as a competitor to Sharn, but as a complement.
Sharn exemplifies the Eberron themes of noir, the politics of assorted Houses and other factions, manifest zones etc. Stormreach exhibits the themes of exploration into the unknown, mysterious races with their own agendas, the fallen empires that shaped the setting's history, and the blazing rings of elemental flying ships are often visible over its sky.
If it helps, Stormreach is also the major setting of the Dungeons and Dragons Online MMO.


I don't really know enough to do so, but perhaps some of the FR buffs could give a run-down of what makes Neverwinter and Waterdeep for example, distinctively iconic to the Realms compared to Baldur's gate.
They're being big and famous within the setting, but I'm not sure what criteria that you're using for "iconic".

Waterdeep, Neverwinter, and Baldur's Gate are all very simular because they are all on the sword coast, so they share alot of culture, trade, ect...

Neverwinter and Baldur's Gate are only iconic because of the video games.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Waterdeep

Waterdeep is iconic on its own.

Waterdeep is large, its lead by the Open Lord who happens to be a Chosen of Mystra, and Mask Lords whose identity is hidden. It has the Khelban a title of a powerful city wizard named after Khelban Blackstaff a Archwizard and Chosen of Mystra. Depending on edition it has an Elven population larger then most Elven cities at 200,000 Elves and 200,000 Dwarves and its a majority human city (we have two different numbers for citizens of Waterdeep, 2,000,000 and 136,000).


http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Neverwinter
Neverwinter is ruled right now by Lord Nevermber. Its heavily rebuilding. Its cold around Neverwinter, but Neverwinter is magically warm, hence Neverwinter is its name, that is its biggest claim to fame, aside from video games. And its Shadowfell mirror city.


http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Baldur's_Gate
Baldur's Gate's most iconic things are the Flaming Fist Mercanaries, which police and defend the city although they also take other jobs. Plus now they have Little Calim outside the city walls. Oh and Bhaal returned in the city.


That is why I'd replace Neverwinter and Baldur's Gate as Iconic Cities with either Calimport, Skuld, Unthalass, Myth Nentir, Raven's Bluff, Silvermoon, Gloomwrought, Suzail, Alaghon, Rhymanthiin

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Calimport

Calimport was the largest city in FR until 4e, rivaled only by Waterdeep in size, was founded by a Genie Calim, was ruled by Air Genasi for a time, legendary for its debauchery, kind of a Turkish/arabian nights feel, capital of Calimshan and the former Shoon Empire. Plenty of Tiefling Mercanaries, who were prized for their resistance to fire. A bunch of Gods manifested in the realms in Calimport during the time of troubles, Sharess, Sune, Shar, Ibrunbal, maybe others.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Skuld

Skuld is the oldest human city and its where the Mulhorand's Pantheon dwelled, except Sharess (Bast) and Mask (who is concidered a Mulhorand god by adoption, thanks to a Faerun/Mulan exchange program).



Skuld is said to Rival Waterdeep for beauty, but more Egyptian flavoured then Waterdeeps city state. Depending upon editions it could have a larger population too.

A city governed by Pharoh Gods who reside in the city itself.

One of the only cities with a large Aasimar minority population, also a large Tiefling minority, with Half Orcs being the largest none human minority (a side effect of the Orc Gate war).

It was said to have destroyed, its buildings buried in rubble, after the Spellplague, but with the Mulhorand Gods returned and their nation restored its likely been rebuilt like new.



It was the Capital of one of the largest Empires in Faerun history, Mulhorand has encompassed Thay, Morghrom, Semphur, Mulhorand proper, Plains of Purple Dust, Raurin Desert, and Unther at times.

It's likely being rebuilt in 5e.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Myth_Nantar

Myth Nantar is a city of Sea Elves, Mermaids, Tritons, Sharlin, regular Elves, and others. Its Mythal allows land dwelling species to breath water, resist cold and pressures among other things. One of my favourite cities in FR.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Unthalass

Unthalass was the Capital city of Unther, which is very Canaan/Mesopotamian flavoured, which also used to have a huge Empire consisting of of Unther proper, the southern coastal cities of Algarond, part of the Shaar, Chessenta, Chondath.

Its ruled by Gilgeam (FR Gilgamesh), whose lastest Incarnation fight a war of Libertarian for his people against the Genasi of Shyr (a Abeiran Empire).

He made a deal with the Demon Lord Grazzt for demons.

He is specifically mentioned as a potential Patron for Undying Warlocks, but he also has his priests (he's a God).

Unthalass is being rebuilt after it was destroyed by a fight between Tiamat and Gilgeam, that destroyed both of them (they both came back), then the Sundering.

Once the greatest and most impressive cities in FR, it declined heavily before it was destroyed.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Ravens_Bluff

The setting of Living City Campaign of past years. It has the ruins of an ancient Dwarven City and a Drow City (with intact Mythal rare for Drow cities), which draws tourists/adventurers to to it.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Silverymoon

The city has a Mythal. The Unicorn Goddess / Archfey makes frequent appearances. One of the Largest places of learning in the realms. Was ruled by a Chosen of Mystra, now ruled by her Son.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Gloomwrought

Possibly the last (Shade) Netherese city of any size after their the destruction of their Empire during the Sundering.

Gloomwrought was in the Shadowfell so it would not have been hit by the war and disasters that destroyed most other Shadovar cities.

Its made up of Shadovar humans, Shadar Kai, Dark Ones, Keepers.

It was originally intended to be a Nentir Vale city I think, but RA Salvatore stole it and made it apart of the Shadovar Netherese Empire. Drizzt has been there.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Suzail

The Capital of one of the few actual Kingdoms of FR, Cormyr. (Off the top of my head Tethyr, Cormyr, Hartvale, are the only traditional Monarchy style Kingdoms, Oligioachies, City States, Magocracies, and Theocracies are more common in FR.).

War Wizards, Purple Dragon Nights, super iconic.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Alaghôn

Alaghôn

Alaghôn is the Capital of Turmish, the only none city state democracy in FR.

It was in decline after the Spellplague thanks to it causing the city to become land locked, but the Sundering made it a port again, bringing back trade and wealth to the city.

It the home city of the Assembly of Stars, the parliament of Turmish, and the head quarters of the Emerald Enclave, the far reaching organization of Druids, Rangers, and other nature and balance loving people.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Faer'tel'miir

Rhymanthiin is a Elven/Sharn city in the High Moor.

It was created by a spell of high magic. Its made partly of the Sharn who can appear from the walls and streets.

Its called the City of Hope and if you have ill intentions you can't even find the city.

It has its own copy of Black Staff tower, the eight tower, so its has simularities to Waterdeep, but nicer and Elvish and black building materials.
 
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Gradine

The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
I think you could argue about the reach that Neverwinter had beyond the video games; and they certainly didn't have a ton of reach. But it's hard to discount how huge the Baldur's Gate games were. The series had sold over five million units as of 2006. When it came time for WotC to create a D&D & FR-based spin-off of "Betrayal at the House on the Hill", they chose to set it in Baldur's Gate. And it's not just peripheral media either... when WotC needed to develop an adventure module to bridge the gap between editions in the lead-up to 5e's release, they published "Murder in Baldur's Gate", which I'm led to understand is a very well-loved adventure.

I'm not going to argue that there aren't more interesting cities in FR, especially to a deep-lore or in general old-school FR grognard. But in terms of iconic cities? Baldur's Gate easily gives Waterdeep a run for its money. Certainly more so than frakking Unthalass, Gloomwrought, or Alaghon would.

I'd certainly be in favor of replacing some of the also-rans with Calimport and/or Silverymoon, though. I know it risks tipping the overall balance in Forgotten Realm's favor in terms of overall cities-per-setting, but consider that:
1) Forgotten Realms just has a lot of iconic cities, okay?
2) Forgotten Realms is also traditionally the punching bag in these Survivor threads, so maybe they could use a leg up?
 


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