D&D 5E D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

FrogReaver said:

Thanks for sharing. Very good stories. Probably the most fascinating is your skinhead story. That's pretty amazing especially on your part as well and I firmly believe it was the right thing to do. It may make a difference in his life at some point... or not. But at least it has a chance to.

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FrogReaver said:

The public displays of affection is a thing. There is a different reaction to hetero people and homo people doing it. Just curious. Are gay people bothered by hetero public displays of affection? I mean besides the full all out get a hotel room type stuff that other heterosexual people typically don't even tolerate?

Because there is a difference if homo people are not bothered by hetero displays of affection but hetero people are bothered by homo displays of affection then that double standard isn't really a double standard anymore. Oh sure if you try to frame it as hetero vs homo you may can make that point but it's not. It's about each groups comfort level with the other and that's where the differences lie.

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Teemu said:

So, it's pretty much true that heterosexual people almost never make, say, Facebook posts specifically announcing that they're heterosexual or in a heterosexual relationship, or they don't go on public marches whose main purpose is to let everyone know, "I'm straight!" (Referencing Gay Pride marches.)

But the reason why many homosexual and bisexual people do do it is simple: they announce that they are not ashamed of their sexual orientation. This is the key difference.

When you're bi or gay, growing up the society around you subtly (or less subtly) teaches you that homosexuality is wrong, or at least kind of wrong (depends on your location). There are tons of adult homosexual men and women who hide their sexual orientation from other people because they carry that shame inside them. Heterosexual people don't -- or when was the last time you met a 30-year old man who couldn't tell his family, friends, and co-workers that they liked women, both sexually and romantically? Is it common for opposite sex couples to hide their relationship from family and colleagues in fear of rejection?

Homosexual and bisexual people go through a process of learning to accept their sexuality, and for many, part of that is telling people that they're gay/lesbian/bi. Straight people don't have to go through that (sometimes painful) process, because they're not ashamed of being heterosexual.

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shidaku said:

There is a point I made and this isn't it.

The point is where your mind is at. You could just have easily made your point with a different group. But when someone said "hey this group should be included!" you jumped to "what about white-supremacist gay-hating groups!" in a discussion about including gay people.

That says worlds about where your mind is.

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FrogReaver said:

I mean if you are stooping to the point of declaring that hitting on a girl is announcing your heterosexuality to the world then maybe. But even that isn't announcing your heterosexuality to the world, it's announcing your interest to a potential partner.

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If you are talking about bragging to other heterosexual males about girls then please remember that this is typically done in the confines of a group that are friends and are heterosexual males themselves. As noted, that kind of bragging typically ceases when a heterosexual girl walks up because it's known they would find such talk offensive.

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So what other cases do you have where a straight guy tells the world he is straight?

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FrogReaver said:

it still doesn't mean they are going to be comfortable with the idea of the gay lifestyle being normalized.

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MechaPilot said:

For rather obvious reasons he and I haven't kept in touch, so I'll never know, but I hope it does.




Caveat & Full Disclosure:
I can't speak for all gays, naturally. Also, I am attracted mostly to women, but there have been a tiny handfull of guys I've seen in my life who I have considered attractive. So, take what I say with the knowledge that all people are different individuals (of course) and that my perspective might not be indicative of someone who is exclusively homosexual.

With that out of the way, I am not offended by heterosexual or homosexual displays of affection on the basis of the sexuality involved. I do find it distasteful when public displays of affection are taken too far, but that's not a sexuality thing.

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Morrus said:

It's not a "gay lifestyle". It's a major part of somebody's identity, like being a man is, or a person of colour.

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Libramarian said:

Maybe that goes down in certain neighborhoods of US cities but that would be outrageous behavior here. If I saw that the first thing I would think is the guy is mentally ill. In fact I think it's illegal...ah, it is if he follows her or if she feels unsafe as a result of the catcalling.

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Caliban said:

The specific scenario in question, which you have conveniently ignored, was hitting on a girl in front of a group of male friends. THAT is announcing to them (and the world in general) that "Hey, I'm a heterosexual!"



And I told you that I have in fact seen them NOT stop it, but start hitting on the girls who walked up. You may have lead a sheltered life, but it does happen. I've seen it with my own eyes.

And even without adding the girl to the scenario - even you admit they are making a point of announcing their heterosexuality to their male friends (usually to confirm they aren't gay and thus won't be ostracized). That they may stop when a girl walks up doesn't change that.



There are many, but I'm sure you will find ways to pretend they don't qualify. Because "hitting on a girl is hitting on a girl" and apparently has no relation to your sexuality in your world.

Not sure if you are actually this sheltered and ignorant of human social mores, or just hardcore trolling. Either way, I have better things to do with my time. (Like go play D&D...)

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