D&D 5E Wizard archetype needed!

gyor · Jun 2, 2019

Tony Vargas said:
Sure, all D&D magic is more properly Thaumaturgy.

The line between Thaumaturgy and Theurgy can be blurry at times, it's not unheard of for the ancient Theurgists to produce miracles at times.

Oh and here is the Chaldean Oracles said be the bible of the Neoplatonists. https://hermetic.com/texts/chaldean

A Thuergist class would require a design that is very different from a cleric or Paladin

More Rituals, getting in contact with their guardian Daimon (not to be confused with a Christian Demon, more like the modern concept of Guardian Angel), of course sensationalized Hollywood Style.

Fenris-77 · Jun 2, 2019

The Celestial patron Warlock gets access to Cleric spells.

gyor · Jun 2, 2019

Fenris-77 said:
The Celestial patron Warlock gets access to Cleric spells.

Interesting, I never noticed before, but the Celestial Pact Warlock IS closer to a Thuergist, especially a Celestial Tomelock. Not perfect, but much better then cleric or Wizard. But switch the magic from Arcane to Divine and add some kind of Henosis feature.

I still think that Thuergist would work better as it's own class, one without spell slots, but instead based on Rituals somehow. Note sure how to do combat utility. Still as far as preexisting classes Celestial Tomelock is not bad.

Another approach, a Divine Soul who achieves their magic spark by achieving Henosis with their God/s. Still take Ritual Casting.

Paul Farquhar · Jun 2, 2019

Fenris-77 said:
The Celestial patron Warlock gets access to Cleric spells.

So does favoured soul sorcerer, but I don't think either equates to a wizard who makes a study of divine magic.

gyor · Jun 2, 2019

Paul Farquhar said:
So does favoured soul sorcerer, but I don't think either equates to a wizard who makes a study of divine magic.

No, they they do relate better to an actual Theurgist, some think that most certainly not a wizard at all.

FarBeyondC · Jun 2, 2019

I never got it off the idea stage (because I'm lazy and going through each and every spell to find its appropriate domain(s) sounds too much like work), but I've thought about doing a Wizard archetype called the Divine Scholar / Domain Scholar which worked along the same vein as the original 8 school archetypes, but with the various Domains instead.

Sorcerers Apprentice · Jun 2, 2019

You could always play a 17th level wizard who casts Wish every day to emulate a cleric spell.

gyor · Jun 3, 2019

Sorcerers Apprentice said:
You could always play a 17th level wizard who casts Wish every day to emulate a cleric spell.

You could also just take the Ritual Caster: Cleric Feat and Magic Inniate: Cleric feats, that nets you a whole bunch of Cleric spells castable as rituals up to 6th level, one 1st level spell, say cure wounds, with one slotless casting per long rest, and two cleric Cantrips, say Guidance and Hand of Light. That is a lot of magic, all of it usable at will, except for cure wounds. If that isn't enough take the spell sniper feat for an extra Cleric Attack Cantrip. And use your find familiar spell to summon a celestial familiar. Bonus points, play an Aaasimar.

Connorsrpg · Jun 3, 2019

There was the Theologian (EN5ider article Volumes of Forgotten Lore: Divine, by Ari Marmell, [MENTION=1288]Mouseferatu[/MENTION] here).

I can't access this at the moment, but this is what I thought of.

Kobold Stew · Jun 3, 2019

gyor said:
You could also just take the Ritual Caster: Cleric Feat and Magic Inniate: Cleric feats, that nets you a whole bunch of Cleric spells castable as rituals up to 6th level, one 1st level spell, say cure wounds, with one slotless casting per long rest, and two cleric Cantrips, say Guidance and Hand of Light.

What is Hand of Light? I don't know it.

Also -- one of the cool things with Ritual Caster is that you don't need Wisdom to choose cleric -- you can take the feat with Cleric rituals, as long as your Intelligence is 13+. (For other cleric things, you want Wisdom, obviously).

That is a lot of magic, all of it usable at will, except for cure wounds. If that isn't enough take the spell sniper feat for an extra Cleric Attack Cantrip.

Except there aren't any Cleric attack cantrips, are there?
Sacred Flame doesn't require an attack roll, but a save.