GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8--Final Run-- Part 3

Istbor

Dances with Gnolls
I do wonder how basically skeletons were able to punch their way through stone tombs. I think the whole crypt thing was unnecessary. I didn't see anyone of note die to them. Much better if they started pounding and howling/snarling, which scared the people down there into making a foolish decision to run out into the keep's yard or unbar the door. Maybe then there would have been some tension and drama as some survivors had to kill others hiding to protect the many.

I dunno.
 

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MarkB

Legend
I didn't find their tactics partricularly stupid. It was a basic castle-defence plan of falling back by stages, and taking as many of the opposition out at each stage as possible.

The Dothraki were a mobile force, and temporarily powered-up with flame weapons. Having them make a lightning strike against the enemy frontline wasn't a terrible choice - the only other thing they'd have been good for was harrying the flanks once the armies were engaged, and there was simply no way to coordinate that in pitch darkness.

Lighting the trenches any earlier would've been counterproductive - they would have cut off the retreat of their main forces, and would've burned out half their fuel by the time the horde finished cutting through the Unsullied.

The pacing does get weird after the army breaches the walls, though. It goes from pitched battle in one scene, then when we next cut back it's all sneaking around in corridors. It feels like there was supposed to be something in between that would have slowed or diverted the horde's incursion, which we didn't get to see.

The really big thing which it felt like the battle was lacking, on the defending side, was a leader. With Jon and Danaerys off on dragonback, barely five words of dialogue between them, the rest of the forces were just these scattered little groups all fighting their own battles, mostly in quiet desperation.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
The visuals were absolutely phenomenal. Especially some of the dragon shots above the clouds, the dragon fight, the dragonfire. I heard some had trouble seeing what was going on because it was too dark, but I didn’t have any trouble.
 

The visuals were absolutely phenomenal. Especially some of the dragon shots above the clouds, the dragon fight, the dragonfire. I heard some had trouble seeing what was going on because it was too dark, but I didn’t have any trouble.

Well, my darkvision failed, so I had a hard time following what was going on even with all the lights turned off. My wife kept asking me "Who is that?" as scenes would shift.

I really could not follow the dragon fights. Take a lesson from D&D please and color-code them.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I didn't find their tactics partricularly stupid. It was a basic castle-defence plan of falling back by stages, and taking as many of the opposition out at each stage as possible.

The Dothraki were a mobile force, and temporarily powered-up with flame weapons. Having them make a lightning strike against the enemy frontline wasn't a terrible choice - the only other thing they'd have been good for was harrying the flanks once the armies were engaged, and there was simply no way to coordinate that in pitch darkness.

Lighting the trenches any earlier would've been counterproductive - they would have cut off the retreat of their main forces, and would've burned out half their fuel by the time the horde finished cutting through the Unsullied.

The pacing does get weird after the army breaches the walls, though. It goes from pitched battle in one scene, then when we next cut back it's all sneaking around in corridors. It feels like there was supposed to be something in between that would have slowed or diverted the horde's incursion, which we didn't get to see.

The really big thing which it felt like the battle was lacking, on the defending side, was a leader. With Jon and Danaerys off on dragonback, barely five words of dialogue between them, the rest of the forces were just these scattered little groups all fighting their own battles, mostly in quiet desperation.

It's like the dumbest thing you do with light cavalry you use them on the flanks. Use missile weapons to soften them up.
 

Mercurius

Legend
I just watched it and I'm left with two simultaneous but conflicting feelings:

1) Extremely entertaining, dramatic and visually impressive. So many beautiful scenes (the dragons above the clouds! Drogon protecting the grieving Dany, etc).

But...

2) Highly disappointing, anti-climactic, and when examined beyond the surface level of 1, it had so many problems and was rather poorly put together, especially as a "penultimate climax" to an eight seasons series.

I'm left feeling that there was this 8 year build up that led to very little pay-off, except for sheer spectacle and drama. It was like getting to know someone who you realized that, in the end, wasn't nearly as deep or complex as you originally thought. I'm particularly disappointed to the degree that there was no real exposition or revelation about the Night King and White Walkers, or Bran for that matter.

On the other hand, I guess it is the process that counts. The series was a great ride, and perhaps that was the problem: it would be difficult to create a climax that could do it justice, and at least so far (still only halfway through the last season), it didn't come close.
 

Mercurius

Legend
One thing that surprised me is how much of a role Melisandre had - not just the fire, but giving Arya that extra little inspiration. I kind of like how this rather monstrous person ended up being someone who was monstrous because it served a greater purpose: sort of a dark twist on the end justifying the means.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
How is this for a thought. We have been watching a prequel and the events depicted are told by old Sam or Bran to the Prince That Was Promised.

They might also abolish the throne.

Anti climatic a little, decent CGI porn though. Hardhome and the Battle of the Bastards were better IMHO.
 


pukunui

Legend
Mixed feelings for me, too. I enjoyed the spectacle overall but am also feeling let down. The White Walkers and their existential threat was my favourite part of the show. This was not the ending I was expecting. All I can hope for is that the supposed prequel series will flesh out their (back)story more.

Random thoughts:
  • Sam, Brienne, Pod, Jaime, and probably also Grey Worm and Tormund ought to be dead.
  • Aside from being Westeros’ living memory, what is the point of Bran having magic powers? He doesn’t ever seem to do anything useful with them any more. Was his “creation” of Hodor the only pay-off we’ll get for his apparent ability to affect the past, or will there be more? Why didn’t he warg into Ghost or something to help with the fight?
  • The dead Starks in the crypt *did* rise but no one of any consequence even had to fight one, let alone get hurt or killed by one. Also, despite this theory being correct, Dany’s reference to the dead already being there *was* just her stating the obvious. What a waste of a line.
  • Theon did a great job defending Bran. Why did he stupidly charge the Night King? Why didn’t he stay where he was? I think it would’ve been better if he’d been able to spar with the Night King long enough for Arya to sneak up on him (instead of having her literally get the drop on him out of nowhere — was she hiding in a tree or had she magically turned into wind to get past the white walkers?)
  • The walkers used smart tactics and let their grunts do the dirty work while they stayed safely in the rear but ultimately lost. The living used idiotic tactics, and led from the front, and somehow still managed to win.
  • Would I be correct in thinking that the main / named characters are among the only ones who survived? Most, if not all, of the Wildlings, Unsullied, Dothraki, Ironborn, Knights of the Vale, and Northern bannermen (and civilians) are dead, right? Cersei’s choice to stay behind and fight whoever emerges victorious in the North seems like it was the smart choice after all, which doesn’t seem right.

One thing I didn’t get — what did the brown eyes, green eyes, blue eyes thing mean?
That dates back to season 3, when Melisandre came to take Gendry away from the Brotherhood. She looked into Arya’s eyes and said she could see brown eyes, blue eyes, and green eyes, all closed forever.
 
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