Pathfinder 2E Paizo Announces Pathfinder 2nd Edition!

Paizo has just announced the Second Edition of its Pathfinder Roleplaying Game! Read on for the announcement straight from the horse's mouth. The horse, in this case, being Pathfinder designer Jason Bulmahn. "In 2008, Paizo launched an unprecedented public playtest aimed at updating the third edition rules to make them more fun, easier to learn, and better able to support thrilling fantasy adventures. More than 40,000 gamers just like you joined in the fun by playtesting the new Pathfinder RPG rules and providing feedback, and the rest is gaming history. Now, 10 years later, it's time to put the lessons of the last decade to use and evolve the game once again. It's time for Pathfinder Second Edition!"

Paizo has just announced the Second Edition of its Pathfinder Roleplaying Game! Read on for the announcement straight from the horse's mouth. The horse, in this case, being Pathfinder designer Jason Bulmahn. "In 2008, Paizo launched an unprecedented public playtest aimed at updating the third edition rules to make them more fun, easier to learn, and better able to support thrilling fantasy adventures. More than 40,000 gamers just like you joined in the fun by playtesting the new Pathfinder RPG rules and providing feedback, and the rest is gaming history. Now, 10 years later, it's time to put the lessons of the last decade to use and evolve the game once again. It's time for Pathfinder Second Edition!"


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Welcome to the next evolution of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game!

Just shy of 10 years ago, on March 18th, 2008, we asked you to take a bold step with us and download the Alpha Playtest PDF for Pathfinder First Edition. Over the past decade, we've learned a lot about the game and the people who play it. We've talked with you on forums, we've gamed with you at conventions, and we've watched you play online and in person at countless venues. We went from updating mechanics to inventing new ones, adding a breadth of options to the game and making the system truly our own. We've made mistakes, and we've had huge triumphs. Now it is time to take all of that knowledge and make the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game even better.

By now, you've probably read all about the upcoming launch of the Playtest version of the game set to release on August 2nd, 2018 (but just in case you haven't, click here). In the weeks and months leading up to that release, we are going give you an in-depth look at this game, previewing all 12 of the classes and examining many of the most fundamental changes to the game. Of course, that is a long time to wait to get a complete picture, so I wanted to take this opportunity to give you insight into the game, how it works, and why we made the changes that we made. We will be covering these in much more detail later, but we thought it might be useful to give a general overview right now.



Illustration by Wayne Reynolds​
[h=2]New, but the Same[/h]Our first goal was to make Pathfinder Second Edition feel just like the game you know and love. That means that as a player, you need to be able to make the choices that allow you to build the character you want to play. Similarly, as a Game Master, you need to have the tools and the support to tell the story you want to tell. The rules that make up the game have to fundamentally still fill the same role they did before, even if some of the mechanics behind them are different.
[h=2]Building a Character[/h]It's worth taking a moment to talk about how characters are built, because we spent a lot of time making this process smoother and more intuitive. You start by selecting your ancestry (which used to be called race), figuring out where you came from and what sorts of basic statistics you have. Next you decide on your background, representing how you were raised and what you did before taking up the life of an adventurer. Finally, you select your class, the profession you have dedicated yourself to as an intrepid explorer. Each one of these choices is very important, modifying your starting ability scores, giving you starting proficiencies and class skills, and opening up entire feat chains tailored to your character.

After making the big choices that define your character, you have a variety of smaller choices to make, including assigning skill proficiencies, picking an ancestry feat, buying gear, and deciding on the options presented by your class. Finally, after deciding on all of your choices, the only thing left to do is figure out all of your bonuses, which are now determined by one unified system of proficiency, based on your character's level.

As you go on grand adventures with your character, you will gain experience and eventually level up. Pathfinder characters have exciting and important choices to make every time they gain a level, from selecting new class feats to adding new spells to their repertoires.
[h=2]Playing the Game[/h]We've made a number of changes to the way the game is played, to clean up the overall flow of play and to add some interesting choices in every part of the story. First up, we have broken play up into three distinct components. Encounter mode is what happens when you are in a fight, measuring time in seconds, each one of which can mean life or death. Exploration mode is measured in minutes and hours, representing travel and investigation, finding traps, decoding ancient runes, or even mingling at the queen's coronation ball. Of all the modes of play, exploration is the most flexible, allowing for easy storytelling and a quick moving narrative. Finally, the downtime mode happens when your characters are back in town, or relative safety, allowing them to retrain abilities, practice a trade, lead an organization, craft items, or recuperate from wounds. Downtime is measured in days, generally allowing time to flow by in an instant.

Most of the game happens in exploration or encounter mode, with the two types of play flowing easily from one to the other. In fact, exploration mode can have a big impact on how combat begins, determining what you roll for your initiative. In a group of four exploring a dungeon, two characters might have their weapons ready, keeping an eye out for danger. Another might be skulking ahead, keeping to the shadows, while the fourth is looking for magic. If combat begins, the first two begin with their weapons drawn, ready for a fight, and they roll Perception for their initiative. The skulking character rolls Stealth for initiative, giving them a chance to hide before the fight even begins. The final adventurer rolls Perception for initiative, but also gains some insight as to whether or not there is magic in the room.

After initiative is sorted out and it's your turn to act, you get to take three actions on your turn, in any combination. Gone are different types of actions, which can slow down play and add confusion at the table. Instead, most things, like moving, attacking, or drawing a weapon, take just one action, meaning that you can attack more than once in a single turn! Each attack after the first takes a penalty, but you still have a chance to score a hit. In Pathfinder Second Edition, most spells take two actions to cast, but there are some that take only one. Magic missile, for example, can be cast using from one to three actions, giving you an additional missile for each action you spend on casting it!
Between turns, each character also has one reaction they can take to interrupt other actions. The fighter, for example, has the ability to take an attack of opportunity if a foe tries to move past or its defenses are down. Many classes and monsters have different things they can do with their reactions, making each combat a little bit less predictable and a lot more exciting. Cast a fire spell near a red dragon, for example, and you might just find it takes control of your magic, roasting you and your friends instead of the intended target!
[h=2]Monsters and Treasure[/h]The changes to the game are happening on both sides of the GM screen. Monsters, traps, and magic items have all gotten significant revisions.

First off, monsters are a lot easier to design. We've moved away from strict monster construction formulas based off type and Hit Dice. Instead, we start by deciding on the creature's rough level and role in the game, then select statistics that make it a balanced and appropriate part of the game. Two 7th-level creatures might have different statistics, allowing them to play differently at the table, despite both being appropriate challenges for characters of that level.

This also makes it easier for us to present monsters, giving us more space to include special abilities and actions that really make a monster unique. Take the fearsome tyrannosaurus, for example; if this terrifying dinosaur gets you in its jaws, it can take an action to fling you up to 20 feet through the air, dealing tremendous damage to you in the process!

Hazards are now a more important part of the game, from rangers creating snares to traps that you have to actively fight against if you want to survive. Poisons, curses, and diseases are a far more serious problem to deal with, having varied effects that can cause serious penalties, or even death.

Of all of the systems that Game Masters interact with, magic items are one of the most important, so we spent extra time ensuring that they are interesting and fun. First and foremost, we have taken significant steps to allow characters to carry the items they want, instead of the items that they feel they must have to succeed. Good armor and a powerful weapon are still critical to the game, but you no longer have to carry a host of other smaller trinkets to boost up your saving throws or ability scores. Instead, you find and make the magic items that grant you cool new things to do during play, giving you the edge against all of the monsters intent on making you into their next meal.
We can't wait until you find your first +1 longsword to see what it can do!
[h=2]What's Next?[/h]There are a lot of things we are excited to show off, so many in fact that we have to pace ourselves. First off, if you want to hear the game in action right now, we've recorded a special podcast with the folks from the Glass Cannon Network, converting the original Pathfinder First Edition Module, Crypt of the Everflame, to the new edition. Head on over to their site and listen to the first part of this adventure now!
Stop by tomorrow for the first blog taking an in-depth look at Pathfinder Second Edition, starting off with the new system for taking actions, then visit us again on Friday for an exploration of the Glass Cannon game, exploring some of its spoilers in detail!
[h=2]We Need You![/h]All of us at Paizo want to take a moment to thank you, the fans, players, and game masters that have made this exciting journey a possibility. It's been a wild ride for the past decade, and speaking personally, I could not be more excited for where we are heading. But, as I am sure you've heard a number of times already, we cannot make this game without you, without your feedback and passion for the game. Thank you for coming with us on this adventure, thank you for contributing to our community, and thank you for playing Pathfinder.

Jason Bulmahn
Director of Game Design
[h=2]Pathfinder Playtest Features[/h]The new Pathfinder Playtest rules are the first step in the evolution to the new edition. We have incorporated the best innovations and lessons of the last 10 years to move the game forward in new and exciting ways. As we count down the days to the Pathfinder Playtest Rulebook release, we'll be revealing more information on the following topics (and more!) on the Paizo blog:

  • 10th-Level Spells and 4 Spell Lists
  • Alchemists in Core
  • Archetypes and Multiclassing
  • Class Changes
  • Classic Monsters and Magic
  • Clean, Modular Information-Based Design
  • Combat Maneuvers that Rock
  • Designed for All Levels of Play
  • Easier to Play
  • Goblin Player Characters
  • Golarion-Infused
  • Heroic Storytelling
  • Innovative Initiative
  • More Customization
  • New Background System
  • Pathfinder Society
  • Production Values
  • Race Changes and Feats
  • Rebalanced Magic Items
  • Simplified Actions
  • Streamlined Proficiencies
  • Support
  • True to Pathfinder
  • Wayne Reynolds Art

[h=2]Compatibility?[/h]The big question -- backwards compatibility? Paizo says "While many of the rules of the game have changed, much of what made Pathfinder great has remained the same. The story of the game is unchanged, and in many cases, you can simply replace the old rules with their new counterpart without having to alter anything else about the adventure. As for individual rules, like your favorite spell or monster, most can be added with a simple conversion, changing a few numbers and rebalancing some of the mechanics."
[h=2]Pathfinder Playtest Products[/h]All Pathfinder Playtest products will be released as FREE downloads exclusively at paizo.com on August 2, 2018. On the same day, we'll release limited-edition print versions of the Pathfinder Playtest Rulebook, Pathfinder Playtest Adventure, and Pathfinder Playtest Flip-Mat Multi-Pack for players and Game Masters seeking the ultimate playtest experience. These print editions will be available for preorder from local retailers now and paizo.com between March 20 and May 1. We'll also have copies at the Paizo booth during Gen Con 2018 in Indianapolis on August 2–5.
[h=4]Pathfinder Playtest Rulebook[/h]This massive 400-page rulebook contains everything you need to create characters and run Pathfinder Playtest adventures from levels 1–20! With gorgeous new illustrations by Wayne Reynolds, the Playtest Rulebook lights the path leading directly to Pathfinder's future. Available in three editions: softcover, hardcover, and deluxe hardcover with foil-debossed faux-leather cover and ribbon bookmark.
[h=4]Pathfinder Playtest Adventure: Doomsday Dawn[/h]This 96-page super-adventure contains seven multi-encounter scenarios designed to introduce the new rules and put them to the ultimate test on your game table! With adventures spanning all 20 levels and featuring most of the game's newest rules, Doomsday Dawn provides a thrilling tour of the new rules, and of the Pathfinder world itself!
[h=4]Pathfinder Playtest Flip-Mat Multi-Pack[/h]Throw your heroes into the action with this collection of two double-sided Flip-Mats for use with the Playtest Adventure. These beautiful full-color maps measure 24" x 30" unfolded and set the scene for climactic battles that will determine the future of Pathfinder! The maps' erasable surface can handle and dry-erase, wet-erase, or even permanent markers.
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Birmy

Adventurer
Huh, they actually did it. This needed to happen, but I'm kind of afraid to look at the response on Paizo's forums. Unless the changes are much more minimal than suggested, I expect some of the veteran players will see this as a huge betrayal.

It's at turns hilarious and disgusting. So far it breaks down into: 1.) people who just need to read the FAQ, 2.) people threatening to walk if 2e core doesn't include some form of their own pet rule/class/race/preference, 3.) people hugely SHOCKED that this inevitable thing is happening and declaring that all of their old books are just trash! worthless trash! now, 4.) people taking potshots at D&D, and 5.) at least one guy who just likes arguing with the devs no matter what answer they give him. Enter at your own risk.

I'll dip my toe into the playtest materials when they come out. I like and respect the system and the setting, so there's no harm in looking into it.
 

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Did Paizo lose market share? Maybe in a percentage term but seems like not in a gross term.
Which begs the question, if sales in 2017 are so strong, why change things?
That whole paragraph was needlessly deceptive for Paizo, who are normally pretty honest and open.

Why just 2016 and not “to date”? Or “the last five years?”
Well, probably because 2016 was a low year. Which makes sense and the Paizo products that year were weaker. And 2017 saw the launch of Starfinder, which was pretty successful. So, of course, 2017 was good for *Paizo's* sales. But that statement doesn't say much about Pathfinder's sales....

I guess in a few weeks when ICv2 does it’s Winter 2017 chart we can see if Paizo retained its #2 spot.
 

Connorsrpg

Adventurer
Sounds interesting to me. I love any new edition of the game I love. I have lost touch with PF b/c of the amount of content and I prefer the more streamlined 5E D&D at the moment. When 3E first came out, I did like the complexity, but preferences change.

For those that prefer PF stayed as it is, I am sure there is still enough material to keep you going for like... forever.

In every edition I have only ever used a very small portion of the material I purchased. Still, I love purchasing new material inc editions. I like what they did with Starfinder. I probably will never get to play PF 2E, but I sure will be buying it. :) We treat the 5E D&D rules as a chassis upon which we build our own game, so I am sure PF 2E will bring something to that table :)
 


Ancalagon

Dusty Dragon
It's at turns hilarious and disgusting. So far it breaks down into: 1.) people who just need to read the FAQ, 2.) people threatening to walk if 2e core doesn't include some form of their own pet rule/class/race/preference, 3.) people hugely SHOCKED that this inevitable thing is happening and declaring that all of their old books are just trash! worthless trash! now, 4.) people taking potshots at D&D, and 5.) at least one guy who just likes arguing with the devs no matter what answer they give him. Enter at your own risk.

I'll dip my toe into the playtest materials when they come out. I like and respect the system and the setting, so there's no harm in looking into it.

My amount of sympathy for the designers has just increased. There is no way to do this without a portion of the players flipping out.
 

Shasarak

Banned
Banned
Which begs the question, if sales in 2017 are so strong, why change things?
That whole paragraph was needlessly deceptive for Paizo, who are normally pretty honest and open.

So Paizo used to be honest and open but now when they tell you that their sales are great (and better then 2016) they are needlessly deceptive?

Why just 2016 and not “to date”? Or “the last five years?”
Well, probably because 2016 was a low year. Which makes sense and the Paizo products that year were weaker. And 2017 saw the launch of Starfinder, which was pretty successful. So, of course, 2017 was good for *Paizo's* sales. But that statement doesn't say much about Pathfinder's sales....

I guess if you dont believe their sales figures then how about the fact that they have a "larger editorial staff than at any time in the past" is that also being needlessly deceptive?

I guess in a few weeks when ICv2 does it’s Winter 2017 chart we can see if Paizo retained its #2 spot.

Well I guess if the Roll20 data did not support your conclusions then you can always hope that the ICv2 does a better job then actual Paizo staff telling you how well their sales are doing.
 

darjr

I crit!
He's talking about Pathfinder, where damaging mental spells are virtually unheard-of. The only one in the Core Rulebook is level 5 nightmare, which only deals 1d10 (relatively minor) damage. Pathfinder doesn't really go for psychic damage as a type.

It's a far cry from 4E or 5E, where characters flat-out have psychic powers that they use for the primary purpose of causing HP damage.

Edit: Although, honestly, that's not as big of a deal as the requirement that psychic attacks must cause physical injury in order to inflict HP damage. If a bard casts a spell that makes a goblin manifest fatal wounds, then that's still infinitely preferable to a goblin just dying for no physical reason.

Thanks for this clue by four. I went and took a look back at the core spell list and I get the style and verisimilitude difference. But for me vicious mocker still counts because it’s a spell. But I kinda see the issue even if I still dispise how it was communicated.
 

Shasarak

Banned
Banned
Huh, they actually did it. This needed to happen, but I'm kind of afraid to look at the response on Paizo's forums. Unless the changes are much more minimal than suggested, I expect some of the veteran players will see this as a huge betrayal.

It is a pretty big call, you can understand if some people are having feelings.

This almost makes me forget that they continue to publish a book with rules for worshiping a child abuse daemon.

That was the best bit! Mostly due the huge over reaction to the book almost as if they did not understand what type of book they were getting.
 

So Paizo used to be honest and open but now when they tell you that their sales are great (and better then 2016) they are needlessly deceptive?
Yes.
Because they chose particularly precise phrases to present the idea that their sales are great. Picking the one year where they had a new game launching and comparing that to the year before. Only mentioning that the company had a great year and not Pathfinder?
It's like saying “My finances are great. I have more money now than I did this time last week” and neglecting to mention it's payday.

I guess if you dont believe their sales figures then how about the fact that they have a "larger editorial staff than at any time in the past" is that also being needlessly deceptive?
And since when has a “large editorial staff” been a descriptor of the strength of sales? (Large staff generally means smaller profits.)
And, again, it's not “largest staff ever” or even “largest editorial staff ever”. But the editorial staff now vs when Pathfinder 1 launched, which was still a shaky time for the company.

Well I guess if the Roll20 data did not support your conclusions then you can always hope that the ICv2 does a better job then actual Paizo staff telling you how well their sales are doing.
Roll20 tells us nothing except that more people are going onto Roll20.
Again, the number of people playing 3.5e and 4e and OD&D also increased over the last couple quarters. Would you say those games also have a growing audience? That their sales are strong?

But that still doesn't address the main question. If Pathfinder is doing amazing, if the game is still growing, why do a second edition right now? Why risk losing the audience?
Why only a single year and not a two year playtest? Why not stretch it to eighteen months? Or a year with an accompanying six part AP to focus playtests for more consistent results?
 

Form the info we have in their faq and forum it doesn’t looks it will be based on 5ed at all, more like a cleaner version of what the have already in pf1

I'm glad to hear that's the case. I'd be a bit disappointed if they went the cheap option of doing a 5E clone as I think they're better than that. They're big enough and have been doing this for long enough now to not need to do that.
 

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