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Well, I have to agree with two of your words I would classify as vague jargon: Analyst Programmer and advanced imaging technique. The others all seem very precise and detailed.

SQL Server, carbonised papyri , data curation, multithreading, and WEB API 2 are all wonderfully precise.

Ironically, I think you are misusing the term "jargon" here. Jargon isn't something being vague. Jargon is using a word that is highly specialized (or "precise" if you prefer) for a specific group of people. Typically, removing jargon from text involves replacing highly specific terms with the general english words you classify as "vague".

"Threading" is jargon for the computer world. In normal English, it refers to a physical string. I computers, it refers to a specific operation on a processor.

"Advanced imaging technique" is plain English. It refers to a method of taking pictures that is complicated.
 
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Ironically, I think you are misusing the term "jargon" here. Jargon isn't something being vague. Jargon is using a word that is highly specialized (or "precise" if you prefer) for a specific group of people. Typically, removing jargon from text involves replacing highly specific terms with the general english words you classify as "vague".

"Threading" is jargon for the computer world. In normal English, it refers to a physical string. I computers, it refers to a specific operation on a processor.

"Advanced imaging techniques" is plain English. It refers to methods of taking pictures that are complicated.

Unfortunately, after looking it up, I see jargon has two nearly opposing definitions, apparently.

1. "special words or expressions used by a profession or group that are difficult for others to understand. "
2. "[archaic] a form of language regarded as barbarous, debased, or hybrid. "

Perhaps, this is one of the drawbacks of being a Shakespeare scholar. I'm sometimes more familiar with the archaic forms of words than the modern definitions.
 

Istbor

Dances with Gnolls
If I were Orion I wouldn't be interested in the job. I tend to quit when I've had my fill and am no longer interested in putting in effort. I'd just assume that I'd be another token to be put on a pedestal as a showpiece when needed and ignored on every other day. That's kind of how they felt when they worked there already, so I would expect more of the same if I were them.

If something like that happened to me, and my contract ended with some bad blood. I would not be interested in going back. Especially not under a totally different role. The stress and potential hidden hostility both from myself and others would just, not be an environment of my choosing.
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
I don’t think anyone who understands how multiverse IDs work thinks it was intentional. It’s pretty clearly a very unfortunate coincidence. But it’s an unfortunate coincidence that really should have been caught and addressed much sooner than it was.

Yeah, this is what I was getting at. Someone should have noticed (I'm sure fans did a long time ago and were vocal about it) and corrected it rather than have that association sitting out there for years. By keeping it out there, it seemed to be a dog whistle to white nationalists, regardless of whatever the original circumstances were. It's not like white nationalists haven't used every excuse they can find, legit or not, to justify their beliefs and look for support.


The job posting is not a press release. It doesn't need to be meaningful to the general public. It needs to be meaningful to the type of expert they are trying to hire. That expert should (nay, must as a job requirement) be conversant with the jargon of the field. If you are hiring an engineer, you'll see engineering jargon in the req. For this, you'll see management jargon.

This is an important point I was thinking of yesterday. If they are working in Corporate america, especially in management or HR, they will have to understand and use jargon on a daily basis. Anyone put off or not understanding the job post because of jargon wouldn't be a good fit anyway.
 

Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
Every field has it's jargon. Jargon makes for efficient communication since you can express something in a word or short phrase of jaron that would require a full sentence or more of plain English.

Anyone who's qualified for this kind of job can read that job advert with no problem.

Except it's language of exclusion. There are people who would be very good at the job, who will not understand some of the language used. Because the skills used in being good at that kind of human resources job are not the same as the skills used in reductionist corporate language translation.

For example, one part of that position is trying to make it easier to recruit people of color. Someone who has a lot of contacts with related fields that might have people who could be interested in moving over to the RPG field might not speak HR speak. But if one of your goals is to attract more people of color, excluding those with such contacts because your job advertisement uses HR corporate jargon isn't a wise move.

The goal here is to make a fundamental change to the way the company has done business in the past. Posting an ad full of HR corporate speak is just more of the same thing they've always done. That's the same method they've used to recruit a bunch of white upper class corporate guys which got them into this in the first place. You'd think if they wanted change, the would start with the ad seeking the person who they want to enact that change, right?

This kind of HR corporate jargon also tends to attract employees who also communicate like that to the other people in the company who would not have the skills to translate it. Which results in memos which get ignored for the density of absurd corporate speak, people who don't understand the goals they're supposed to achieve or the methods used to measure those goals, eye rolling at corporate meetings, and a lack of communication.

It also happens to be the kind of jargon which tends to be best understood by the same upper class white good old boy system that's been there for decades.

There is no good reason for that level of "efficiency" in corporate communications like this and there hasn't been since the Internet was commonly used for this kind of communication. You're not "saving space" for any good reason.

I am with WayOfTheFourElements on this one. For years as a corporate attorney I used corporate speak in memos because it's just what corporations do. But eventually, I found it was failing to communicate important concepts to employees throughout the company, and it was alienating some people who were good at their jobs. And I had to fight an uphill battle to force executives to stop using it so much. And it worked. Morale improved, people understood the goals being set for then, communication improved, and the company was more often all moving in the same direction on projects.

Some in the industry agree with me on this, and think HR speak hurts HR.
 
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Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
I think the card itself should have been dealt with much sooner. If its multiverse ID were 2599 instead of 1488, and everything else were the same, would it be any less appalling? Not really.

With the name, the effect, and the art that is literally depicting guys in KKK outfits, the multiverse ID just seems like a weird thing to focus on here.
Sure. The multiverse ID was the least of the problems with the card, and all of them (including the multiverse ID) should have been caught and dealt with sooner.
 

MGibster

Legend
Except it's language of exclusion. There are people who would be very good at the job, who will not understand some of the language used. Because the skills used in being good at that kind of human resources job are not the same as the skills used in reductionist corporate language translation.

This is a senior level position that requires a minimum of seven years of experience in HR, business, marketing, or some other people focused job. Someone who doesn't understand the language used in the job description is not ready for a senior level position though they may be well suited for an associate level position. And all job postings are exclusionary by nature. You want to discourage people who aren't qualified from applying.
 

lavamancer

Villager
Except it's language of exclusion. There are people who would be very good at the job, who will not understand some of the language used. Because the skills used in being good at that kind of human resources job are not the same as the skills used in reductionist corporate language translation. In fact it has a tendency to attract employees who also communicate like that to the other people in the company who would not have the skills to translate it. Which results in memos which get ignored for the density of absurd corporate speak, and eye rolling at corporate meetings, and a lack of communication.

Do you feel like this is an intentional gateway--you know, they want someone who will add diversity but not really rock the corporate boat? Or is this simply the tin ear of whomever writes the the copy on these postings? I could see it go either way.
 

FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
I don’t think anyone who understands how multiverse IDs work thinks it was intentional. It’s pretty clearly a very unfortunate coincidence. But it’s an unfortunate coincidence that really should have been caught and addressed much sooner than it was.

It doesn’t need addressed at all. Obviously meaningless coincidences don’t need addressed.
 

Mort

Legend
Supporter
Except it's language of exclusion. There are people who would be very good at the job, who will not understand some of the language used. Because the skills used in being good at that kind of human resources job are not the same as the skills used in reductionist corporate language translation.

For example, one part of that position is trying to make it easier to recruit people of color. Someone who has a lot of contacts with related fields that might have people who could be interested in moving over to the RPG field might not speak HR speak. But if one of your goals is to attract more people of color, excluding those with such contacts because your job advertisement uses HR corporate jargon isn't a wise move.

The goal here is to make a fundamental change to the way the company has done business in the past. Posting an ad full of HR corporate speak is just more of the same thing they've always done. That's the same method they've used to recruit a bunch of white upper class corporate guys which got them into this in the first place. You'd think if they wanted change, the would start with the ad seeking the person who they want to enact that change, right?

This kind of HR corporate jargon also tends to attract employees who also communicate like that to the other people in the company who would not have the skills to translate it. Which results in memos which get ignored for the density of absurd corporate speak, people who don't understand the goals they're supposed to achieve or the methods used to measure those goals, eye rolling at corporate meetings, and a lack of communication.

It also happens to be the kind of jargon which tends to be best understood by the same upper class white good old boy system that's been there for decades.

There is no good reason for that level of "efficiency" in corporate communications like this and there hasn't been since the Internet was commonly used for this kind of communication. You're not "saving space" for any good reason.

I am with WayOfTheFourElements on this one. For years as a corporate attorney I used corporate speak in memos because it's just what corporations do. But eventually, I found it was failing to communicate important concepts to employees throughout the company, and it was alienating some people who were good at their jobs. And I had to fight an uphill battle to force executives to stop using it so much. And it worked. Morale improved, people understood the goals being set for then, communication improved, and the company was more often all moving in the same direction on projects.

Some in the industry agree with me on this, and think HR speak hurts HR.

I agree with most of what you are saying - and 100% believe that clear non jargon filled language is much better for communication.

But - I think a person filling a position like this needs to understand the jargon involved, regardless. WoTC is, in theory, hiring someone to make an impact on their corporate culture (for the better). That's a hugely uphill battle. For someone to hope to change it, they need to understand it - and that means understanding the jargon involved; while also maybe using less (or none) of it themselves to further clear communication.
 

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