Planescape Planescape to languish in purgatory?

Aldarc · Nov 23, 2020

MarkB said:
Really? Wow. Kinda relieved I missed that, only because I've already backed too many Kickstarters recently, and really need to get round to actually using some of them before I try any more.

I'll definitely keep in mind that this one is out there, though.

I only caught it because it showed up here in one those great Industry/Kickstarter round-up articles from @Egg Embry.

TheSword · Nov 23, 2020

GreyLord said:
Late to this ballgame and still on page 1, but we already saw another Torment game recently...didn't we.

It was not a direct sequel or in the same universe, but more of a spiritual successor.

It was called. Torment: Tides of Numenera, of course, unfortunately, it supposedly did not sell all that well.

However, it did have a successful kickstarter when it was in creation and in theory another kickstarter could fund another one if the creators wished to make a sequel.

Torment was a mediocre, clunky, not really d&d, game system that had an amazing, deep, thought provoking, profound and clever story wrapped around it. You could move the Torment story to any edition and any engine and it would be amazing. It was always going to be a hard act to follow. In the same way that Siege of Dragonspear never recaptured the story of the first two BG’s

MarkB · Nov 23, 2020

Aldarc said:
I only caught it because it showed up here in one those great Industry/Kickstarter round-up articles from @Egg Embry.

Yeah, those are seriously potentially bad for my wallet. I've backed enough projects just from listening to @Morrus's podcast.

Anyway, the BitD project I'm really hoping for is a Discworld adaptation set in Ankh-Morpork, but I don't think I'll be lucky enough to see that one anytime soon.

Ralif Redhammer · Nov 23, 2020

It doesn't matter - my one campaign makes heavy use of third party products and homebrew. It's not about it only being WotC content (unless I'm running or playing AL, naturally). I adore the Tome of Beasts series, for example. But the difference between that and DMs Guild is that if I buy a WotC, Nord Games, or Kobold Press product, I've a reasonable baseline assumption of quality control and balance. With DMs Guild, I do not, and I'm not of a mind to spend my time hunting through it for the good stuff. Like I said, there's so much of it.

twofalls said:
This confuses me a little Ralif, what does it matter if your whole campaign is WotC cannon or not? Even the game designers expect you to homebrew the game a little, they make that plain in their products, and frankly I would do it if they liked it or not. The products are thiers, but the game is mine. What benefits to you get out of refusing anything but straight WotC content? Or am I reading too much into what you said?

Eltab · Nov 24, 2020

I would like to see 5e Dark Sun. However DS is a setting where tyranny, slavery, exploitation, grinding poverty, and similar Evils are the characters' day-to-day reality - and the newer / younger fanbase may not react well to that. (See for instance this summer's discussion of Always-Evil Orcs.) A setting without the Evils to strive against ... can still be a post-apocalyptic planet, but it will not feel like Dark Sun.

Levistus's_Leviathan · Nov 24, 2020

Eltab said:
I would like to see 5e Dark Sun. However DS is a setting where tyranny, slavery, exploitation, grinding poverty, and similar Evils are the characters' day-to-day reality - and the newer / younger fanbase may not react well to that. (See for instance this summer's discussion of Always-Evil Orcs.) A setting without the Evils to strive against ... can still be a post-apocalyptic planet, but it will not feel like Dark Sun.

Hey, new player here. The reason I dislike always-evil-orcs does not effect my attitude towards Dark Sun. I dislike always-evil-orcs due to it being completely and entirely setting dependent, while Dark Sun is a setting. What happens on Dark Sun doesn't effect my table, but having orcs always be evil and/or stupid did.

I personally like Dark Sun, and don't think that the slavery, tyranny, and other difficult and wrong aspects of Dark Sun are an issue. It makes sense for a world where resources are scarce for warlords and slavery to emerge. If people don't like those aspects of the setting, they can always just not buy the book. It's different when the aspects of a setting are forced upon the core and base rules that I (and most other younger players) have an issue. I'm sure people will complain about those aspects if/when a Dark Sun book is announced, but these two scenarios aren't equivalents. Dark Sun doesn't effect your game and table unless you play there, but the rules for a race do.

(I cannot speak for the majority of new players, but if they approach this matter similarly to how I do, the backlash against a Dark Sun book should be minimal enough to not change anything overly significant about the setting.)

twofalls · Nov 24, 2020

AcererakTriple6 said:
I personally like Dark Sun, and don't think that the slavery, tyranny, and other difficult and wrong aspects of Dark Sun are an issue. It makes sense for a world where resources are scarce for warlords and slavery to emerge. If people don't like those aspects of the setting, they can always just not buy the book. It's different when the aspects of a setting are forced upon the core and base rules that I (and most other younger players) have an issue. I'm sure people will complain about those aspects if/when a Dark Sun book is announced, but these two scenarios aren't equivalents. Dark Sun doesn't effect your game and table unless you play there, but the rules for a race do.

AcererakTriple6 said:
Hey, new player here. The reason I dislike always-evil-orcs does not effect my attitude towards Dark Sun. I dislike always-evil-orcs due to it being completely and entirely setting dependent, while Dark Sun is a setting. What happens on Dark Sun doesn't effect my table, but having orcs always be evil and/or stupid did.

I personally like Dark Sun, and don't think that the slavery, tyranny, and other difficult and wrong aspects of Dark Sun are an issue. It makes sense for a world where resources are scarce for warlords and slavery to emerge. If people don't like those aspects of the setting, they can always just not buy the book. It's different when the aspects of a setting are forced upon the core and base rules that I (and most other younger players) have an issue. I'm sure people will complain about those aspects if/when a Dark Sun book is announced, but these two scenarios aren't equivalents. Dark Sun doesn't effect your game and table unless you play there, but the rules for a race do.

(I cannot speak for the majority of new players, but if they approach this matter similarly to how I do, the backlash against a Dark Sun book should be minimal enough to not change anything overly significant about the setting.)

This strikes me as a false equivalency. The core rule books are the core books and are needed to play, beyond those you don't like the FR setting you can also choose not to buy the books just as easily as you can chose not to buy any other setting (I can offer myself as an example, I will not buy anymore of their books). However for the youth in the game, it doesn't matter because that is the demographic the company is aiming to please.

TheSword · Nov 24, 2020

twofalls said:
This strikes me as a false equivalency. The core rule books are the core books and are needed to play, beyond those you don't like the FR setting you can also choose not to buy the books just as easily as you can chose not to buy any other setting (I can offer myself as an example, I will not buy anymore of their books). However for the youth in the game, it doesn't matter because that is the demographic the company is aiming to please.

Unfortunately though, if you won’t buy any more books, why on earth would you expect them to produce a book to support an out of print setting?

twofalls · Nov 24, 2020

TheSword said:
Unfortunately though, if you won’t buy any more books, why on earth would you expect them to produce a book to support an out of print setting?

The thread became long, so I don't blame you if you missed it earlier because I did address this. The OP was an impulse, and as I thought about it I also realized this and pointed it out, however the thread had taken on a life of its own by then.

TheSword · Nov 24, 2020

twofalls said:
The thread became long, so I don't blame you if you missed it earlier because I did address this. The OP was an impulse, and as I thought about it I also realized this and pointed it out, however the thread had taken on a life of its own by then.

Ahh, well maybe if they did release a Planescape campaign that was minable for nuggets for your own adventures maybe it might tempt you.