Roll20's Latest Numbers: Cthulhu Holding Strong!

LordEntrails · Feb 24, 2021

TheSword said:
I’m not sure what you mean by questionable things.

I was really trying not to re-discuss those things here as they are only very tangentially related and I assumed they would be known. But if you want to look into them; there was a blow up on reddit about nolant, their were issues that blew up on social media regarding white male gamers, there are other issues around their own forums and how they treat customers, issues about promised features and features being withdrawn, and their are issues about APIs with other applications. In short, for me (everyone should decide for themselves) they exhibit a pattern of corporate behavior that indicates a company I chose not to do business with or trust the claims they make.

TheSword · Feb 24, 2021

LordEntrails said:
I was really trying not to re-discuss those things here as they are only very tangentially related and I assumed they would be known. But if you want to look into them; there was a blow up on reddit about nolant, their were issues that blew up on social media regarding white male gamers, there are other issues around their own forums and how they treat customers, issues about promised features and features being withdrawn, and their are issues about APIs with other applications. In short, for me (everyone should decide for themselves) they exhibit a pattern of corporate behavior that indicates a company I chose not to do business with or trust the claims they make.

Cool. Thanks for taking the time to catch me up.

I did some research on the Reddit issue/more white male gamers issues and they both aren’t the kind of thing that bothers me. Why a person would kick off about being refused sponsorship is beyond me but you’re right it’s not a worth opening up. I was worried there was allegations of racism but it seems like the opposite.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Nylanfs · Feb 24, 2021

One of my gripes with them is the way they shut down ANY discussion of other programs in their forums even if it's constructive criticism attempts to improve the platform.

DigestPantheon · Feb 24, 2021

The growth in Cyberpunk Red is neat to see. Cyberpunk 2077 was a lot of fun on PC and I definitely was more interested in the roleplaying in the setting after it.

oknazevad · Feb 27, 2021

Re PF2 on Roll20, there does seem to be a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation here. On one hand, their support has been relatively poor, leading people to to use other platforms. But that means there's less motive for them to improve their support.

CapnZapp · Feb 28, 2021

oknazevad said:
Re PF2 on Roll20, there does seem to be a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation here. On one hand, their support has been relatively poor, leading people to to use other platforms. But that means there's less motive for them to improve their support.

I'm assuming Roll20 tries to make money, not provide a community service.

In other words, you have your chicken-and-egg argument backwards!

oknazevad · Mar 1, 2021

CapnZapp said:
I'm assuming Roll20 tries to make money, not provide a community service.

In other words, you have your chicken-and-egg argument backwards!

Well, no, they make money by providing a service, and if they don't see a potential for making money (because the user base is too small), then they won't provide that service. But in choosing to not provide that service they are less attractive to potential users, reducing the user base. It becomes a question of who moves first, or it becomes a downward spiral of irrelevance.

CapnZapp · Mar 1, 2021

oknazevad said:
Well, no, they make money by providing a service, and if they don't see a potential for making money (because the user base is too small), then they won't provide that service. But in choosing to not provide that service they are less attractive to potential users, reducing the user base. It becomes a question of who moves first, or it becomes a downward spiral of irrelevance.

Or they have simply decided focusing their efforts on the customer base of 5E players is more worth their while.

They don't have to provide the service after all. (As I said it's not a community service)

darjr · Mar 1, 2021

Did.... did you just actually have a chicken and egg argument?

(ok, argument is a strong word)

oknazevad · Mar 1, 2021

CapnZapp said:
Or they have simply decided focusing their efforts on the customer base of 5E players is more worth their while.

They don't have to provide the service after all. (As I said it's not a community service)

I don't see how those ideas are in conflict. If Roll20 doesn't see the value in PF2 support in part because 5e support is far more lucrative for them.