TSR Running list of potential problematic issues in TSR era DnD
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Sacrosanct
Legend
Alzrius
The EN World kitten
Zardnaar
Legend
I've never used them (or even run 1E). I lean more into clones and B/X or clones of B/X.
Voadam
Legend
1e DMG city encounter subtable.
J-H
Hero
How is this going to generate actual good things happening, versus the destruction or censorship of old material?
I'm actually not a fan of the cheesecake/beefcake for religious and modesty reasons.... but if you want to cancel beefcake and cheesecake, you will have to go back a few hundred years to some of the best artists of all history and start putting clothes on their work. Artists like to show muscles and curves as a way of displaying their mastery of their art, or something like that. It's certainly harder to draw a barbarian (either gender) with 20d6 individual muscles on display than it is a person in featureless plate armor.
I'm actually not a fan of the cheesecake/beefcake for religious and modesty reasons.... but if you want to cancel beefcake and cheesecake, you will have to go back a few hundred years to some of the best artists of all history and start putting clothes on their work. Artists like to show muscles and curves as a way of displaying their mastery of their art, or something like that. It's certainly harder to draw a barbarian (either gender) with 20d6 individual muscles on display than it is a person in featureless plate armor.
I don't feel like these discussions are particularly useful or achieve their intended purpose, mostly because they lack nuance. Usually they just result in folks pointing out the obvious and congratulating themselves on their ability to perceive the wrongs of the past. Don't get me wrong, that's important, but in and of itself it isn't especially important.
If we really want to learn from the mistakes of the past we need to examine them far more critically and ask why they were present in the first place. We need to be willing to admit our own culpability (either personal or by class) as well as ask tough questions about our hobby, its industry and its fans.
For example, let's talk about that harlots table. Let's examine the inclusion, asking not only why it was there but also why it took the form it did. Let's look at those terms in the context of the author and the fans of the time. Let's look at the response to it and find out when it was disavowed and under what circumstances.
All that takes work and a willingness to do more than agree that a bad thing is bad. Are folks participating in this thread willing to do that work for all the problematic bits of D&D -- old and new; I don't know why we are giving WotC a pass. I doubt it and so I don't forsee a valuable, educational discussion.
If we really want to learn from the mistakes of the past we need to examine them far more critically and ask why they were present in the first place. We need to be willing to admit our own culpability (either personal or by class) as well as ask tough questions about our hobby, its industry and its fans.
For example, let's talk about that harlots table. Let's examine the inclusion, asking not only why it was there but also why it took the form it did. Let's look at those terms in the context of the author and the fans of the time. Let's look at the response to it and find out when it was disavowed and under what circumstances.
All that takes work and a willingness to do more than agree that a bad thing is bad. Are folks participating in this thread willing to do that work for all the problematic bits of D&D -- old and new; I don't know why we are giving WotC a pass. I doubt it and so I don't forsee a valuable, educational discussion.
Zardnaar
Legend
Gary did tables for everything and idk why he put it in. Product of its time?
Gone by 2E wasn't in OD&D or B/X afaik.
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