Falcon and winter solider

MarkB · Apr 10, 2021

Enevhar Aldarion said:
The killing was bad, but it was a killing of a super soldier, who could have gotten up and smashed Walker through a brick wall. Of course, it was not just killing a dangerous enemy, it was how he did it and in front of cameras and people who had no idea the other person could do the same to Walker. If the serum made him rage like that once, it will do it again.

I'm not sure how much of this we can put on the serum. Walker might have done the same even without it.

Enevhar Aldarion · Apr 10, 2021

MarkB said:
I'm not sure how much of this we can put on the serum. Walker might have done the same even without it.

Hopefully we will find out in the final two episodes. He may have still lost control, but without the serum, he would not have been able to kill the guy, or at least I don't think he could have. OF course, he could have just pulled his pistol and emptied the clip into him too, without the serum. Being part of the plot, I think that guy was dead, no matter what.

Tonguez · Apr 10, 2021

Enevhar Aldarion said:
Hopefully we will find out in the final two episodes. He may have still lost control, but without the serum, he would not have been able to kill the guy, or at least I don't think he could have. OF course, he could have just pulled his pistol and emptied the clip into him too, without the serum. Being part of the plot, I think that guy was dead, no matter what.

He managed to embed the shield into a stone column before using the serum, so who knows.

Morrus · Apr 10, 2021

Tonguez said:
He managed to embed the shield into a stone column before using the serum, so who knows.

I'm pretty sure that was after he used the serum.

MarkB · Apr 10, 2021

Morrus said:
I'm pretty sure that was after he used the serum.

Yep - that was supposed to be our first clue that he'd gone ahead and done it off-screen.

Morrus · Apr 10, 2021

MarkB said:
Yep - that was supposed to be our first clue that he'd gone ahead and done it off-screen.

The first clue was when he kicked that door in.

Levistus's_Leviathan · Apr 10, 2021

Enevhar Aldarion said:
The killing was bad, but it was a killing of a super soldier, who could have gotten up and smashed Walker through a brick wall.

Could have, but from the look of absolute terror that I saw on his face when running away from Walker and laying on his back, he would not have done that. Would and could are distinct, and this is important. Right now, I could walk out onto the street and punch the first person I saw in the face, and probably get away with it if I were to run away fast enough, but I would not do that because I'm not a psychotic jerk.

That guy was pleading for his life, saying "It wasn't me" (or something similar, I don't quite remember), knowing that Walker would kill him if he were caught and Walker did just that. It doesn't matter if the guy was dangerous, he was running and pleading for his life, and in no circumstance is it justified to kill him (especially not like that).

Enevhar Aldarion said:
Of course, it was not just killing a dangerous enemy, it was how he did it and in front of cameras and people who had no idea the other person could do the same to Walker. If the serum made him rage like that once, it will do it again.

I agree with the others that think he would have done it without the serum. Lamar was dead, he was raging, which we know he could do before having the serum. He would have shot him, or found some other way to kill him. He likely thinks he did nothing wrong, and will just try to hunt down the other Flag Smashers to kill them in similar ways.

Rune · Apr 10, 2021

Enevhar Aldarion said:
The killing was bad, but it was a killing of a super soldier, who could have gotten up and smashed Walker through a brick wall. Of course, it was not just killing a dangerous enemy, it was how he did it and in front of cameras and people who had no idea the other person could do the same to Walker. If the serum made him rage like that once, it will do it again.

So, you’re saying supers don’t get to surrender? That seems like a terrible precedent to set. Morally and practically.

ShinHakkaider · Apr 10, 2021

Enevhar Aldarion said:
The killing was bad, but it was a killing of a super soldier, who could have gotten up and smashed Walker through a brick wall. Of course, it was not just killing a dangerous enemy, it was how he did it and in front of cameras and people who had no idea the other person could do the same to Walker. If the serum made him rage like that once, it will do it again.

I just rewatched that episode and that Flag Smasher was NOT a dangerous enemy.
He was terrified and fleeing for his life.

While fleeing, he threw a stone (?) garbage bin at Walker. Not as an attempt to hurt him but to put something between him and Walkers wrath.

He turns and continues to flee when Walker hits him full force in the back with the shield sending him sprawling.
When the flag smasher attempts to get up? Walker hits him in the chest (edge wise) with the shield sending him down on his back again. When the flag smasher attempts to get up again? Walker hurls the shield at him again at close range to his chest.

Walker then literally walks up to the guy, uses his foot to shove him back down. He uses that same foot to hold the guy in place as the guy has his hands up yelling ("It wasn't me!!! It wasn't me!!) when Walker brings the shield down on the guy (again, using its edge) not once, not twice but FOUR TIMES.

He didnt kill the guy in a one on one fight.

That was an execution of a prone and non threatening foe.