Falcon and winter solider

MarkB · Apr 19, 2021

Umbran said:
It is an awkward construction, since they already had the issue of the herb being destroyed. If she'd done it in the past, there would have been no major issue at that moment.

Yes, there would, because they were on the run and didn't have access to Shuri's lab. Once T'Challa is found injured, she specifically wants to take him back there to heal him, but it's impossible because he'd die within moments of being moved.

Umbran said:
And then why isn't all of Wakanda filled with Black Panthers?

Because that's not what they do. They could have filled Wakanda with Black Panthers simply by cultivating enough of the herbs, and they certainly had more than enough available to at least give them to a few dozen people. But no, it's reserved for the ruler of Wakanda and their heir. Shuri having the ability to reproduce it doesn't change that.

Umbran said:
Also, dramatically, Shuri ought to have some limits, or she ceases to be interesting.

Sure, but she's already been shown to be a prodigy at both Vibranium-related technology and cutting-edge medical techniques, so this would sit firmly within her wheelhouse.

tomBitonti · Apr 19, 2021

Plus, one apparently does not simple ingest the raw herb. There is a preparation, and an ice bath. The necessary steps may be hard to perform without particular knowledge.
TomB

Umbran · Apr 19, 2021

MarkB said:
Sure, but she's already been shown to be a prodigy at both Vibranium-related technology and cutting-edge medical techniques, so this would sit firmly within her wheelhouse.

We will just have to disagree on this. Thanks for your thoughts.

Enevhar Aldarion · Apr 19, 2021

tomBitonti said:
For the destruction of the garden to be dramatically meaningful, replacement of the garden must not be easy.

Regardless of the in-movie consequences, if we pay attention to Ryan Coogler about what he is planning for Black Panther 2, he is saying the movie will be more Wakanda-focused, like the Wakanda series he is also working on. And since they are not recasting T'Challa, I am getting the feeling that the character will still be alive, but will just not appear at all in the movie or series. Maybe seen in the distance or something, where they can use a body double and there is no dialogue, or in a distant fight scene, where his stunt double can do the action. So maybe once Black Panther 3 eventually happens, Coogler will resolve this or maybe it will stay with T'Challa alive and off-camera.

Stalker0 · Apr 19, 2021

So rewatching cap America 2 and it’s always interesting how framing and context come into play.

the opening jogging scene has cap running circles around falcon, calling out “on your left” over and over.

without knowing cap, it could be easy to see him as a bit of a jerk and showboat in that moment, and for Sam to be put off by him. But that’s part of the serum too, caps goodness and charm were magnified, so a scene that could be used to introduce a “jerk” actually endears him to Sam. Steve comes off looking great, whereas Walker in a similar scene might have looked like an “a**”

It’s an importance difference between the two which also pushes their paths in different directions.

Staffan · Apr 20, 2021

FitzTheRuke said:
My kids and I were making jokes that we wished we could pick up olympic-level skills or build/repair large objects/machines just by playing some good loud music and working for a few days....

Janx · Apr 20, 2021

I heard one rumor where Black Panther 2 is set to be after the snap. Thus, no Black Panther. Thus, recasting debate neatly dodged.

Now back to Sam and the B, ep 5.

I enjoyed it. great struggle getting that shield back from Walker. it was also good to see Sam get back to his problem at home, and to get a helping hand.

The scenes with Bradley were powerful. A strong case for not supporting an America built on oppression.

I had predicted Bucky would go back to see the old man at Ep 5. I was wrong, but at least they mentioned it. My friend guessed it would be a mid-credit scene in ep 6. At this point, it's not clear if there's time for Bucky to do that before the big boss battle. But we'll see.

Ep 6 will be the big spectacle, but this episode was the heart.

My new guesses are:
Torres will repair the wings and ideally, appear for the fight as the cavalry.
My hedge bet is Torres will get a mid-credit scene with the wings, hinting at a new role for him.

Umbran · Apr 20, 2021

Janx said:
My new guesses are:
Torres will repair the wings and ideally, appear for the fight as the cavalry.
My hedge bet is Torres will get a mid-credit scene with the wings, hinting at a new role for him.

Given that he took on the role of Falcon in the comics, that's not a stretch.

Levistus's_Leviathan · Apr 20, 2021

Janx said:
I heard one rumor where Black Panther 2 is set to be after the snap. Thus, no Black Panther. Thus, recasting debate neatly dodged.

But Shuri was also snapped, IIRC, so that would be an issue if they were going to make her the next Black Panther.

Umbran · Apr 20, 2021

AcererakTriple6 said:
But Shuri was also snapped, IIRC, so that would be an issue if they were going to make her the next Black Panther.

If she does get snapped, it doesn't happen on screen. IIRC, That she got snapped comes from promotional posters, and a trailer noting her as "missing" (in that the remaining Avengers don't know where she is - a scene which I forget if it ever makes it to the movie).

She could be missing because she's dealing with Black Panther stuff.

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