Falcon and winter solider

Tonguez · Apr 20, 2021

Umbran said:
If she does get snapped, it doesn't happen on screen. IIRC, That she got snapped comes from promotional posters, and a trailer noting her as "missing" (in that the remaining Avengers don't know where she is - a scene which I forget if it ever makes it to the movie).

She could be missing because she's dealing with Black Panther stuff.

This is the scene from Endgame Trailer where both Scott Lang and Shuri among others are noted as Missing after the snap (the Shuri image is quickly replaced by Peter Parker, while Scotts lingers)

of course we now know that Scott wasnt actually dusted, which does give support to the notion that others marked as missing (like Shuri) might have survived the snap especially as we didnt see her dusted on screen

Paul Farquhar · Apr 21, 2021

It's in the film as well. Shuri is shown amongst the disappeared.

I think it would be difficult to do Black Panther without either Black Panther or Shuri.

Stalker0 · Apr 21, 2021

Paul Farquhar said:
I think it would be difficult to do Black Panther without either Black Panther or Shuri.

I can see a couple of options for BP 2 myself.

1) Past Wakanda: Its a movie about an earlier time maybe a generation or two back. Or we go all the way back to the first Black Panther or something. I think this is a unlikely option just because I think the MCU is focused on moving the plot forward in the movies, leaving the TV shows to fill in various gaps. So I could see this as a TV option, but less likely as a movie.

2) Blip Wakanda: We start with a Black Panther funeral scene, and of course the audience assumes its modern day. But then we find out that no, its 5 years ago, when the Wakandans thought their king was dead after the blip, and had the funeral then. The movie focuses on Okoye and maybe Shuri. Shuri doesn't feel worthy to be King (she is in theory the next in line I believe), and so goes into hiding rather than vying for succession. Okoye has to put on the mantle of black panther (extremely reluctantly of course) while Shuri advises and helps her with the tech (maintaining the "Q" to her James Bond). Obviously Okoye gives up the mantle immediately upon the return of her king, but this gives us the option to make her the next Black Panther when T'Challa dies for the "second" time, in whatever way the MCU handles that.

Obviously the blip could cause a million problems you could use as your plot driver, take your pick.

I know a lot of people want Shuri in the suit, but I don't see it. Shuri is a scientist at heart, and she plays the supporting "Q" type role very well. Okoye is the fighter, she has the heart of Black Panther to me, so I feel like it would work much better with her in the suit and Shuri supporting with gadgets and tech.

Of course nothing is ideal compared to having Boseman in the suit, but its a viable way to go.

ShinHakkaider · Apr 21, 2021

I know this is a hot take but I'm not interested in a BLACK PANTHER movie WITHOUT T'Challa.

They recast people ALL THE TIME. Why is this character so precious that they cant or wont do that.
I mean I know why but still. I know at some point Shuri DOES take over the mantle of BP but T'challa is still the lead of the book.

Yeah I have no interest in a T'challa-less BP movie.

Umbran · Apr 21, 2021

ShinHakkaider said:
They recast people ALL THE TIME. Why is this character so precious that they cant or wont do that.
I mean I know why but still.

All the time... except, not since Ruffalo took on Hulk.

But it is less that this character is so precious, so much as the actor. Aside for many other arguments, he did all this really cool stuff... while dying of cancer. So, maybe leaving it be for a while is, you know, respectful and stuff.

Stalker0 · Apr 21, 2021

Umbran said:
All the time... except, not since Ruffalo took on Hulk.

But it is less that this character is so precious, so much as the actor. Aside for many other arguments, he did all this really cool stuff... while dying of cancer. So, maybe leaving it be for a while is, you know, respectful and stuff.

I'd even take it a step further. He was a well respected and famous black actor who starred in a movie that many people are looking to as a shining example of black culture. Aka Black Panther is more than just a movie to some people, it has cultural significance.

Normally I am for recasts, I don't think most roles can only be played by one person (though its always a challenge for an actor to come in and fill shoes), but in this case....I think Marvel is taking the prudent course in not recasting, at least not in the near future.

Staffan · Apr 21, 2021

Stalker0 said:
2) Blip Wakanda: We start with a Black Panther funeral scene, and of course the audience assumes its modern day. But then we find out that no, its 5 years ago, when the Wakandans thought their king was dead after the blip, and had the funeral then. The movie focuses on Okoye and maybe Shuri. Shuri doesn't feel worthy to be King (she is in theory the next in line I believe), and so goes into hiding rather than vying for succession. Okoye has to put on the mantle of black panther (extremely reluctantly of course) while Shuri advises and helps her with the tech (maintaining the "Q" to her James Bond). Obviously Okoye gives up the mantle immediately upon the return of her king, but this gives us the option to make her the next Black Panther when T'Challa dies for the "second" time, in whatever way the MCU handles that.

Wakanda doesn't seem to have a clear line of succession, given the rites surrounding T'Challa's ascension to the throne. There's an expectation that the king's son (or maybe daughter, we don't know how equal Wakanda is in this regard) is next in line, but the heir apparent still has to defend their claim. Shuri is real competent at what she does, but I do not see her beating up M'Baku at Warrior Falls without any gadgets. Okoye might, though, but she does not seem like a person who wants to rule, and that's kind of demanded by the Wakandan traditions.

Umbran · Apr 21, 2021

Stalker0 said:
I'd even take it a step further. He was a well respected and famous black actor who starred in a movie that many people are looking to as a shining example of black culture. Aka Black Panther is more than just a movie to some people, it has cultural significance.

Definitely. I just gave ShinHakkaider the benefit of the doubt that this was their "I know why..."

Enevhar Aldarion · Apr 21, 2021

MCU movies are not recast. I don't count the first two Hulk movies in that. If Iron Man continues, or Captain America, or any other character has a new actor, it will be because there are multiple versions of the character in the comic books. There is a female Iron Man and a female Thor and a female Wolverine and multiple characters who have been Spiderman. If there has been a viable alternate Black Panther in the comic books, then I expect to see that character eventually. But none of these are recastings. They are all separate characters with their own names and history.

Janx · Apr 21, 2021

Umbran said:
All the time... except, not since Ruffalo took on Hulk.

But it is less that this character is so precious, so much as the actor. Aside for many other arguments, he did all this really cool stuff... while dying of cancer. So, maybe leaving it be for a while is, you know, respectful and stuff.

ahem - Rhodey