D&D 5E Split the Assassin from the Rogue back into its own class

Should the Assassin be made into its own class again?

  • Yes, the Assassin should split from the Rogue and be its own class

    Votes: 15 15.2%
  • Yes, the Assassin should split from the Rogue and take the Thief with it

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Yes (Other)

    Votes: 3 3.0%
  • No, the Assassin should stay where it is

    Votes: 65 65.7%
  • No, the Assassin should stay where it is. Someother subclass should split from the Rogue

    Votes: 3 3.0%
  • No, just make more killy Rogue subclasses

    Votes: 5 5.1%
  • No (other)

    Votes: 8 8.1%
  • A THIEF is a THIEF! An ASSASSIN is an ASSASSIN! No Rogues.

    Votes: 5 5.1%
  • I'm about to be Sneak Attacked

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • (Currently hiding)

    Votes: 3 3.0%

  • Poll closed .

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
Undead might be immune to poison but living people usually aren't; thus the way to make poison more useful is to not run as many undead-themed adventures. :)
Eh, that's not insurmountable with a flexible DM.
Perhaps there are poisons that use alchemical silver, anointing oils, sacramental wine and wafers, and/or holy water as their base ingredients.
 

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Lanefan

Victoria Rules
It's also "must be evil alignment". Gygax explained in an interview that he was working on the assumption that there would be no evil PCs, and therefore the intention was to limit to NPCs.
Gygax's assumption was wrong, as were many he made about how the game would be played once released into the wild.

Further, a strong case can be made for Neutral Assassins (James Bond, anyone?).
 


Lanefan

Victoria Rules
Eh, that's not insurmountable with a flexible DM.
Perhaps there are poisons that use alchemical silver, anointing oils, sacramental wine and wafers, and/or holy water as their base ingredients.
<<smacks head>>

Why, in all the many years I've been doing this, did I never think of using holy or unholy water as a form of poison?

That's brilliant!!! :)
 




Minigiant

Legend
Supporter
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Like a rogue

I'm really not seeing an argument for why an assassin isn't a rogue.
Well I didn't design the whole class.

But I see the Assassin as an Exio/Black widow/Batman/JamesBond type.

Tougher and Swifter than the Rogue.
Harder Striking and Sneakier than a Fighter.

The Assassin can Tank the Orcs for the Fighter if he is low and needs to be healed by the Cleric. And it's more that OHKO called shot on one of them than him being a mass of meat under steel.
 
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Minigiant

Legend
Supporter
As written these days Bond's got more and more Fighter to him, but he's always been an Assassin underneath it all; as are all the double-0s.

Exactly. Double 0s are Warriors with a Sneak Attacks. The Assassin that Fighter/Rogue in one class found in modern spy movies.

The 5e Rogue revert back his chickeny roots from the martial badass 4e Rogue.
 

Isn't the bolded almost the very definition of an assassin? :)
Which makes EVERY class an assassin. There are no not-killing-people classes in D&D.
The 5e Rogue revert back his chickeny roots
There is no room for non-combat classes in 5e. If you had two rogue classes, one that was good at killing things and one that was not good at killing things no one would play the bad-at-killing-things class. You might as well delete it from the game.
 

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