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I never said it was bad D&D. Far from it. I consider it D&D--without quality qualifier. It simply is. Whether you like that it is or not is irrelevant. We cannot deny that the Dragonlance modules are D&D; we cannot pretend that their approach was somehow utterly unacceptable to anyone who...

I very much beg to differ, but I don't think such a discussion is productive in any way.

It's not a matter of anyone being good enough for me (or anyone else). It's a matter of people setting out this "medieval" standard--referencing real-world history--and then flagrantly breaking that standard whenever it suits what actually matters, namely, their trope preferences.

But notice what that requires: "6. If your abstractions do not match your fictional world, de-abstract until they do." That's...pretty much the entire argument pemerton is making. The abstractions do not match the fictional world. In some cases, the mismatch is so significant, it outright...

Depends on the setting, I should think. Even within D&D proper, different settings have different rules, e.g. Eberron (IIRC) has demons bound under the world, the result of Eberron trapping Khyber beneath her body for Khyber's murder of their brother, Siberys. In my Jewel of the Desert setting...

This is a take I fully support. I don't personally think it's that big a deal--though I might say that a functional belt-clip for a lantern is an addon that costs extra money--but for folks who see this as a form of power creep, awesome, give it a reasonable cost bump and call it a day...

I never said otherwise. I have, in fact, repeatedly used DL modules as my example of the most maximally railroaded style of D&D one could possibly play, bordering on "having scripted lines for every player". I am solely using them as disproof of the claim that the everpresent threat of...

Bullseye lanterns, with their distinctive glass frontpiece, did not become items people could generally acquire until about the mid 18th century. What broad category does "mid-18th century" belong to? Because that seems pretty late to be "Renaissance", let alone "Medieval." As noted, it exists...

Perhaps, when a person speaks in the generic, they aren't making a personal attack against you.

... One of the lanterns has belt loops. It's specifically meant to be worn attached to the belt. The text even explicitly says so.

Folks are rarely willing to use an argument they know doesn't get them very much, e.g. "that offends my sensibilities and so it shouldn't be done" because that invites the obvious retort "why should that sensibility be the only one that matters?" Even if that would be more accurate to the...

The bigger issue is when people project this style onto the whole of the game. When they demand that the rules cater to them, and don't care whether they cater to anything else (or, more commonly, get annoyed when anything is provided to anything else). When they treat any form of novelty or...

Sure. But one of the images shown is, quite literally, the actual lantern used by Guy Fawkes. In November 1605. With a link directly to the British Museum that holds it. I think that ought to be adequate evidence that these lanterns were around. Lanterns of this exact type were, in fact, worn on...

A website, specifically geared toward the discussion of things related to TTRPGs, which shows museum pieces, historical documents, and other items displaying the use of lanterns of this type. They were in use from at least the late 17th century up through the turn of the 20th century. Items we...

I'm not, and have never been, saying you should. I have been responding to someone else who had said that it was a "structural necessity". And then to people twisting that response to what that person said as though it were some grand unified theory of all gaming ever, some pronouncement from...

Yes. Meaning, the idea that the everpresent threat of death is a "structural necessity" for something to be "D&D" in the first place does not compute when Dragonlance has clearly shown that this isn't a necessity. My entire argument was simply against this claim that the game (a) stops being...

Oh look. Another thread where we have people insisting that the only realistic thing is that you can't have belt lanterns...when belt lanterns, particularly dark lanterns (ones you could move a shutter to set its illumination level), have been around for at least 400 years....and some of them...

Tell me, then, what the Dragonlance modules do.

Did you read my original post? Because it looks like you didn't read my original post. Where I specifically and explicitly said both things. It's really irritating to get multiple "well AKSHULLY" responses when I already said every one of those "well AKSHULLY" things.

Yes, I was in fact talking about that. I really did refer to the modules in specific: ---- "I can do whatever I want" has never, in my experience, been a reducing effect on whether people act in untoward ways. It is almost always going to increase people doing that. Thinking one has license to...