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Oh, I have a few avenues for pretending I'm the Dark Knight, trust me. But the visual of something between Bob Kane, Frank Miller and Paul Pope, leaping around London rooftops, becoming embroiled in something ancient and terrible, finding himself being tailed by vampires and having to work...

Doesn't matter. Uru metal beats everything else.

Seriously though, if I can ask a question, why does it need to be fantasy? Is that something they particularly enjoy?

Call of Cthuhlu and Changeling: The Lost. Kids need misery, they love it.

That is really cool, dude.

Are you able to merge their games like that? Without everything falling apart?

Oh man. Now I gotta learn about the Gumshoe system because I'm telling you, that is the perfect setting to make any superhero without powers, or without major powers(IE Daredevil). It's amazing how well spandex and spies mix together.

Yeah, I've got nothing to contribute, but I've seen the news of it on EN, then I clicked to read the Kickstarter thing they have. Man, that looks good, that looks really good. And I gotta tell you...I would make Batman for a game like that. I don't care, man, I would throw actual real-life...

Then we have all the time in the world to train five teenage Monks with attitude, give them color coded uniforms, then give a separate Goliath Monk a few dozen potions of growth, and name him Ultra Man. Maybe even build a Clockwork Barbarian boy and name him Astro, build another one and name him...

Captain Kirk had 25 Charisma and -30 to Diplomacy, somehow. "Stay in orbit, Scotty. I'm gonna go down there, shoot the king's father then sleep with his wife. It's important we make a good first impression on this new alien species."

No, man. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna make a Titan-sized Warforged Paladin using the Celestial Template, name it Voltron, then have it launch the Tarrasque into space.

Oh my god. The German Suplex is the Ura-Nage. My mind is blown.

No no no, Beholders are cliche. But they'll never see a skateboarding Balrog coming!

Boring to watch? Tell that to the Steiner Screwdriver.

I gotta admit, this has piked my interest.

These are actually some pretty good ideas. Someone has to Chokeslam Katie Vic, though. Twice as hard.

Being detectives or private eyes in an urban fantasy or a Planescape sort of environment, I would really love that.

If they think this is what gaming is, trying to change their minds in the game world isn't going to do anything. There's a disconnect there, they aren't thinking of this as a world they're living in, they're thinking of this as a game they're playing. Really, just talking to them about it...

Eh. Thanks for the info, although it saddens me.

So, I haven't seen the PDF yet, I'm iffy about downloading things. But I need to find out once and for all, can you inflict any damage with a grapple? If I have a 20 strength Barbarian, and he hoists a Goblin up and drops it on its neck and skull, does the goblin take any damage? If my...