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  1. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I already addressed this in this Prior Post. I think there’s a significant difference at play. As you’ve described it, what your games are about is the material that you’ve prepared. Yeah, the players will select what they want to engage with… based on what’s available based on the events of...
  2. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    If you think a game that is always trying to focus on interesting and relevant material rather than simulating the day to day life of the characters cannot be verisimilitudinous, than it would only be because you were somehow incapable of making it so. Because I play in and run such games and...
  3. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Then what were you talking about earlier in the thread? About your job not being solely to make the players happy? Sure, but this is a failing on your part, not of that approach to play.
  4. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I never said that the GM shouldn’t have authority. And you’re also ignoring my comments that it’s about the group and you’re trying to frame it as if it’s solely about my interests. Neither is the case. I want the GM to be able to move things forward. To frame scenes and to call an end to...
  5. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yeah, I remember reading that. I haven’t picked up any of the 2024 books yet, but I’ve been glad to hear some of the tidbits people have shared about the DMG.
  6. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Not just mine, but also the other folks at the table. And it's not about dramatic weight... stop trying to shoehorn the drama angle into things. It's about play that is interesting and has stakes. Have we not all had someone who wants to speak in character to the innkeeper or some other NPC at...
  7. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Absolutely. It likely will involve something important between or to the characters, and so it's likely interesting to explore that. Like, the lack of explosions or swordplay doesn't make something uninteresting. "Ask questions and build on the answers" is definitely great advice. I think...
  8. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Nothing you're saying has anything to do with what I was talking about. "Lows" and "highs" in the context of this part of the discussion is now about failures and successes. It's about exciting play only being possible (highs) when there are bits of unexciting play (lows) to which we can...
  9. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No, I think that an argument that you can't have highs without lows is inherently an argument that for there to be excitement or interesting play there has to be periods of boredom or uninteresting play. What any given person may find interesting or boring will vary, but I think the general...
  10. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No, not at all. It's not something I disagree with. It should be applied to every game, I'd say. I just can't support the "highs are nothing without lows" argument that's been made in this thread and many others. It's an argument for boring play. Haven't I already explained? Do I need to do so...
  11. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I suggested you give it a try, yes. I didn't say you would "like my way if only you weren't too conservative to give it a try". Listen... I get it if you don't like when people offer advice that you don't think is relevant to the topic. But given the topic of this thread, I just don't see the...
  12. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Because it isn't even necessary? I mean, @DinoInDisguise is talking about how the mindset can be applied to any game, and how even a trad game can benefit from it. It's one of the things I incorporated into my trad GMing, and I would say that it's something that's improved my game. The...
  13. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It means “wanting to conserve” or to maintain things as they are. It’s literally what you guys are doing. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
  14. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yes, because your attitude toward D&D is conservative. There can still be plenty of uncertainty about play. What I’m talking about are the procedures of play. Make those all transparent… just put it all out there for your players to see. I mean… give it a try some time. I found that it...
  15. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I think that's what a lot of this thread has been about, when not getting sidetracked into arguments about definition and so on. I'll offer a piece of advice or guidance that I learned more from the narrativist side of the hobby than the trad side... as a GM, make all the dice rolls in the...
  16. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    One of the best things about learning other games, for me, has been how it informs my RPGing overall. I think every RPG has things to teach players and GMs.
  17. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It doesn't bother me that you use it. It bothers me that you expect others to immediately grasp what you're saying when they don't use the term the same way. Clearly based on the resulting conversation, there are all manner of opinions about how useful a term it is, and if it's just an everyday...
  18. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    But I enjoy some of the games that you and others here enjoy. I like and play D&D. I like and play other games as well. My point is that some terms simply don't suit all games, which some folks are insisting is the case.
  19. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'd appreciate it more if you just came right out and told me to shut up, Micah.
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