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Tell me you didn't read the blog without telling me you didn't read the blog. Vince Baker is serious in his analysis of RPGs, but he speaks very casually about them. I can't understand how anyone would consider him elitist at all. Because there's really no difference between princess play...

The comparison to how things work in the real world was made, and that's what I've been addressing when I've asked people to look at it without doing so in the context of RPGs. If you don't care about that, then you probably shouldn't have been responding. Again, I'm talking about in real...

No, I said describing things that way outside the context of an RPG makes no sense. Please stop making these leaps about what you think I’m saying. No one would describe the outcomes of the things we’re talking about if they were to take place in the real world the way you guys are...

Okay? Not sure what that has to do with what I said. This seems to imply that the world waits for the character to decide what to do next... but I don't know why that would happen. I would expect that in most RPGs, whether trad or narrativist or whatever other label we could apply, the GM...

Again, I think that this atomization of tasks is something that’s only being done for game purposes. It seems like a very unnatural way to discuss actions and consequences. Now, as far as a game goes, I understand that it may be a preference. So may including more in the roll than just...

Yes, it can work either way in a game. But that's why I was trying to get people to look at it in real life examples. How we would describe and categorize those. Removing the context of RPGs, I don't expect anyone would divorce the outcomes from the actions the way is happening in this...

Yes, because I have shown many times that there can be consequences beyond just success/failure of the task. Other things may happen as a result. That disproves the absolute statement "only failure or success is at stake" without making an absolute statement of my own. Yes, this is much more...

No. You really need to stop twisting things people say to justify your pearl clutching. I said that when we look at someone attempting a task, ignoring the context of the situation... why they're attempting the task and related details... seems delusional. Obviously whatever consequences may...

Well, first off… do you see what those little arrows are doing to the letters? They’re connecting them! If we look back, I was objecting to the use of “unconnected” as a descriptor for consequences. I’m not sure how you expect visualizing the connection as a counter to my argument. Second, I...

I don’t think that only one side is acknowledging this. Everyone I recall posting in favor of Fail Forwars acknowledged that it’s about notetting the game get boring. That “nothing happens” is not an acceptable answer. No one said “nothing happens” is not an acceptable answer because “that’s...

I’m literally telling you that I didn’t go on the date because I didn’t get my license. Could I have made other arrangements? Yes, possibly. But I didn’t. I canceled the date because I didn’t have my license. I haven’t said any of those things. Your reading comprehension needs some work. I...

Because we can’t fully replicate real life with a game. And I don’t think @Lanefan ’s take is accurate at all. Real life actions have consequences beyond themselves. I think that’s incredibly obvious. Now, that shouldn’t be read as me saying that “fail forward” is “more realistic”, because I’m...

I didn’t ask what else could I have done to still go on the date. I asked why I didn’t go on the date. The answer is obvious. The bit you said this in response to literally said “forget the game for a minute”. I understand how you do things. You don't need to explain be it to me any more...

How does this make the second plan failing not a consequence of the first? In other words… why didn’t I go on the date? Forget the game for a minute. Just think about how consequences occur in real life. If you fail to do a thing in real life, do you really think the only consequence is that...

Do you really need one? Okay. If you fail a test, is that all that happens? When I was 16, I asked a pretty girl to go out with me on Friday night. She said yes! The problem was that I didn’t have my driver’s license yet… I was scheduled to take the test that Thursday. As long as I passed...

No, this is you reading something into what I actually posted that’s not there. @Lanefan claimed that his preferred method works the same as how actions and consequences work in real life. That’s not true… actions in real life have consequences beyond just failure at the task at hand. I...

No, that is not the issue. That’s fine. No, it’s because the way you describe it… the reasons you provide for not liking it… are inaccurate. If I say “I don’t like D&D’s initiative system” that’s an opinion and is perfectly fine. If I say “I don’t like D&D’s initiative system because I...

Because one is a game. I’m not talking about having to use a different method. I’m talking about the only consequence being failure to complete the task attempted. There can very clearly be more consequences than just failure. Insisting on viewing it that way divorces the task attempted from...

In what context? Are you talking about how failure and consequences work in real life? Or are you describing how you prefer they work in an RPG? Your statement is pretty absolute, so that’s why I ask. I know plenty of RPGs where what you’re saying is not true. And it’s clearly not true in real...