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But again 3 pit fiends sharing wishes dead wizard. God of magic cuts you off, Turns you into a Djinn and you can cast unlimited wishes for other people etc. the abuse only works if the DM is into being abused. It's a non issue at that level.

So for the loop to work you have to be over level 20 which by 5e is the max level. So again at 20th level you have to cast your wish spell which then you don't have memorized so your simalcrum doesn't have it memorized. Assuming we are going by the rule you stated that the silmacrum is exactly...

except if you cast wish you don't have it prepared unless you are past level 20.........

well not all tables get to have experienced players that are "hardcore" and know their stuff. And at some tables I've played at push the Analysis paralysis players too hard and you don't have a table anymore. Sometimes you get what you get.

That's fair but in general companies in the modern age are so hung up on beating everyone else to publish they don't test like they used too. But I'll give you that DND is far bigger than it's ever been before so testing for all types of play may be a bit much.

ok maybe gaming retirement village........:cool:

what i've found over the years is that most players I've played with get slower the more options they have. The min maxers and detail oriented ones seem to be the worst. I'm sure a lot of the blame is on DM's me included that let them take so much time but also if a lot of high level spells...

I think the fun if you play through a campaign to that level is all that slow boring play is rewarded by the PC's changing things and setting the stage for the next game. (Hopefully). Or at least getting to finish. But very good point. High level play can be painfully slow. I played in...

Yes it does. Statistics are not spells. Same hit points same level, same height, same weight etc. spells memorized are not statistics. this is obviously open to interpretation but It's the way I'd run it. Also it can't gain levels, it cant take short or long rests so no more memorization of...

Then the Djinn Lords attack as you have ruined thier lives. HEHE

yeah the rule of unintended consequences combined with limited playtests or experienced devs thinking they don't need play tests does things like that.

Don't forget the simalcrum still has to memorize it's spells. They don't just manifest because you had them. Also at that level playing 5th edition or older; if I were the wizards enemy I'd wait till they were all created then wish or miracle, that all simalcrums created by the mage for...

I do miss the days when a mage had to spend a week or more memorizing all their spells if you got to that level. I may sound stupid but it really drove home how bad off you were going to be if you chose wrong. It's why I laugh at all the threads on how wizards are overpowered. I tend to play...

It's the tight balance and the focus on all no melee classes being expected to be support. PF2E is almost a board game. That was intentional, a core part of the player base loved it. The absolute boring play of most spell casting classes and magic items is an unfortunate side effect of that...

thus carrion crawlers suck. Every edition has poorly worded blocks that probably sounded cool in the developers head but could have been worded far better. As far as the actual effect on play, seems perfectly ok to me. you get paralyzed it sucks to be you.

High level play doesn't have to be saving the world. Remember it's all relative to your enemies. It could be saving the city. Or it could be as my current game is trying to find the lost soul of a PC. I agree though the Marvel movie of save the world every movie save the universe every...

I've run a few high level games that were the end of campaigns and played in a few. Plus I've run some of the "high" level modules released over the years. Isle of the Ape and even one that was for up to 100th level characters that took the players to hell. High level play has a lot of...

See I just roll with it and ignore the stuff I don't like. IF I have to go to a new edition because of players I just make table rules and magic items to fix what I don't like. Life's too short to fight about it. I just want to play or run a game.

yeah in the magazines, at the cons and the old farts who hung out at the game stores every night to play. That was the equivilant of the internet of gamers back then. They were still the minority but often the white whales of the industry back then. It wasn't different then, except that they...

Though to be honest. using the lower planes is a bit dicey anyway. When Hell and the Abyss get involved it begins to become more Dark and less DND if you arent' careful. It' takes a special table to play around with that stuff and not end up in a horror game.