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I'm not going back multiple hundreds of pages to show you that I'm still saying the exact same thing that I've said several times. It's a big thread and I've posted a lot. I can assure you, though, that my position has not changed on this.

On the fly =/= added retroactively, though. If I narrate to the group that the cliff face is rough and made of decaying granite, narrating a failed climb check as part of the cliff face coming loos is not retroactively adding anything. It's a detail being added that is encompassed within the...

I don't agree with that. With all kinds of things, and not just RPGs, folks are okay dealing with parts of something one way, but not the other parts the same way. You can certainly treat the timing as the same as the rest, but that's a personal decision.

I'm very sure the blacksmith example was from one of the folks on your side things. That said, it was a long time ago and I can't remember the context. It might very well have been someone who was just allowing players to author things.

I haven't played any myself, but I've seen narrative folks here describe player authoring in ways like the party coming to a new city and one of the players announcing that there is a blacksmith there that he knows because the blacksmith is good friends with his uncle. That example would be the...

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Then you should be responding to that post as there is literally no change there. I've been saying that since my first post.

All I need to do is narrate a cliff face that is made of decaying granite and that automatically means that there are rocks that won't bear weight, and that there are ledges and protuberances. Now that I've established that they are there, it's not retroactively adding them to narrate them...

See my description upthread about how such a climb usually comes about.

That's what I said. The character is a buffer between the player's roll and the affect in the world. The player is rolling, but it's the character who is affecting the world. I think anytime you are playing a game and the player is authoring world content, that skips the buffer. I imagine at...

That doesn't fix the issue I'm talking about. Skill specialization only increases the chances in one narrow aspect, so the PC in question could be even better at climbing because he is specialized, but he still couldn't be bad at swimming because he has athletics proficiency and a 16 strength.

I agree it's more complex that needed and not necessary. However, it does meet the requirements of some people who play the game. For you it isn't necessary and is more complex that needed. For @Lanefan it might be simple to do and required in order to meet his personal standards. My post...

Close. The players typically roll to determine how the PC affects the fictional world. The PC is the buffer in-between the two. Players don't often roll to affect the fictional world. The narrative method is skipping that buffer at least some of the time.

Or else it's basic math. :)

Even if doing that was in the rules(and I'd allow it anyway if a player did that), it still wouldn't matter much unless the PC fell into rapids or something. If he fell into calm and even slowly moving water, the swim DC is going to be very easy, so a DC 5. Since I already specified he has...

Rough to climb takes crumbling rocks into account. It's not adding in a detail retroactively to have a rock crumble under the climbers weight if he fails the roll. Plus if the player really wanted to, he could have examined the cliff to get more detail.

It's not arbitrary. The guard patrols the house at a walking pace. There are X number of rooms and it takes Y time to walk them all. Then it's just math to figure out the approximate likelihood of being in any given room when the PCs arrive. So the DM rolls before they get there and knows...

Yeah, which I viewed as a fairly big step backwards. Those were really great roleplaying aids, especially for new players. I'm not sure you could take a flaw that did that, though. Flaws didn't have mechanical impact like that, which means that the PC would still be a great swimmer. The flaw...

D&D doesn't provide specific details, but it does provide framework in which the DM's details have to fit. When the simulated swordsman swings the simulated longsword at the orc and misses, the DM has to narrate some sort of sword swing and a miss. He can't narrate fairies coming to sing Girls...

In actual game play it goes something like this. DM: "You guys have been tracking the goblins for two days now. The tracks lead you to a cliff and stop at the bottom." Player(s): "I will examine the cliff to see if it's safe to climb and try to estimate how high it is." DM: "The cliff rock is...