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I just looked at DL1 and there are no instructions to keep the PCs alive. Not even a hint at that. So then I looked at DL Classics Vol 1, which has the first 4 modules in it. That tells the DM to have important NPCs die mysterious "deaths" so they can return later, or else kill them off for...

It can't be both. You can't have no death rules and then also death rules.

The one in Baldur's Gate might have required a mortal to use a wish to allow him to come and go like that. For the most part I think they need to be summoned by a higher powered devil, and then they go back. Or else they are summoned by mortals. Sometimes a gate is opened and left that way...

I don't remember teleport without error crossing planes of existence.

Wait. So it's a moral conflict to go into a territory that you have a treaty not to enter or else not, but you don't see moral conflict between murdering someone and letting him go at risk to yourself? Or between committing a crime to access the lord and risking failure by trying legal means...

Yep. I don't think a fully narrative game is for me, but I'm absolutely willing to try one out. If I do, I'm not going to try and play like I would D&D. I'd play it as it's intended to be played. That way I can actually experience what it's like, and I'm not being a disruption to the other...

Your point was my point when you disagreed with me several posts ago! :P https://www.enworld.org/threads/rant-the-conservatism-of-d-d-fans-is-exhausting.712674/post-9701752

I also would have gone with a touch roll, but I'd have gone the 3e route. Most of a dragon's AC comes from it's thick hide, which isn't in play when trying to touch it. The dragon would have had 10+dex+any spells/items that help AC, which means likely it would be AC 10 given that dragons don't...

This I completely agree with. If you are running across gravel and you have accepted the risk of falling, falling is still falling if you slip, and is still a negative. If you are walking across a desert known to have spots of quicksand and you accept that risk, you are still sinking in...

I don't agree with that assessment. You are correct if you're looking at the modules spelling out, "This is a moral conflict." In my experience, though, players quite often come up with moral conflicts in modules. "Do we let the prisoners go, tie them up and if they eventually escape they...

It looks to me like it's any conflict that has a moral component to it. "Do we murder this orc, or let him go and risk him warning his tribe that we are here before we get far enough away?" We can't do both, so those ideas are in conflict and deal with morals.

Even with those different roles, I think most players know that cheating ruins the experience for everyone and don't do it. Players should be given the same initial trust that DMs should get. If the player demonstrates that trust to be an error, it should be addressed. Just like a DM...

Man. Years of playing with negative AC and I thought -6 was good! My bad. Animals starving to death is a negative, but if there is severe overpopulation, those deaths allow the species to live, which is good. Negatives are not always a bad thing, even if they feel like that in the short...

The rules don't prevent the DM from creating nuclear explosions from PC farts, either. The social interaction rules as written are PC to NPC and not vice versa. The DM can of course allow them to work on PCs, but that's not RAW.

A few things. 1) The way you described it, it was plot armor until a certain situation comes to pass, then the named characters can die. That's not zero death rules. That's limited death rules. 2) You are talking about the modules, which aren't any version of D&D. They're modules. The...

I typed DMG instead of PHB by mistake. The rules are in the PHB. The DMG just says creature and the like, which are 100% NPCs. "ABILITY CHECKS In addition to roleplaying, ability checks are key in determining the outcome of an interaction. Your roleplaying efforts can alter an NPC's...

No. It would be AN argument. This has nothing to do with conservative or not.

But......this is exactly what I was talking about. You don't feel like you have agency, because you don't. It's a negative and it's one that it seems isn't tenable for you just as it isn't for me. :) For other folks who that negative isn't a bad thing, using non-magical compulsion like that...

All hail Hewlett Packard! Let us bow our heads...

Player 1: "I just saw two guys playing Russian Roulette and the first one lost and is dead." Player 2: "You can't use dead since that paints what happened as a negative and he understood the risk." Player 1: "Why on earth would we have to call it something else just because it's a negative? The...