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The movie -- it wasn't good. It wasn't terrible, it just had no reason to exist, didn't add anything of its own, and wasn't all that interesting. Of the sequels, I think Afterlife was a perfectly respectable 'tangential' film (took place outside NY, focused more on Egon's granddaughter, etc.)...

...and nice knowing you all. Too bad, it was a nice thread.

For me, oftentimes, the thieving is a backstory. We don't spend much time thinking about exactly what Han Solo smuggled*, because it all took place before he did the things we really care about him doing. Likewise, character X in my game Y will often have developed their skills used in acts of...

I think this is one of those cases where we've ended up pretending we're a lot farther apart than we are. IMO everyone knows there's a point too far with agreeing to participate in an activity and then not substantively participating. Also IMO everyone knows that hobby activities do not have...

Oh, and to be clear, I 100% get that and agree with it too. I think, for people who want to focus on “verisimilitude “ and “simulation,” it should be on the top of the list. Top of the list for what they want to answer for their game world (and thus why ideas threads like this can be so...

The game rules have always been rather player-facing -- economies that don't make sense, monsters or magic items that would destroy the world if left to their own devices, occasionally 10' poles that cost more than 10' ladders made out of two 10'poles, etc. In the case of monsters, I've always...

This doesn't change the my position on your analysis at all (IMO, you are right). However, the damage average for a d8 goes from (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8)/8=4.5 to (4.5+4.5+3+4+5+6+7+8)/8 = 5.25.

I found (BX and BECMI) fighters to be interesting enough to play. Mostly in that, in the absence of any skill system or grand world-interfacing rules, playgroups and playstyles tended to let you do many things ad hoc, and a lot more of the challenges were anyone-can-try ). I know the old 'makes...

You are definitely not wrong. There are people like this, and at some point they become a burden too much. However, in my own personal experience, these people whose lack of investment in the game rises to the point of being detrimental to others are right up there with these examples you are...

Thanks for that clarification.

It is, at the very least, on-brand for the hobby. Who here hasn't run into someone clearly trying to establish their manliness by advocating for a specific TTRPG/edition/playstyle/dedication to some goal like ('realism' or 'rules as written')/etc. over the other options? Isn't the later...

Can you give some examples? I'm trying to think of some, but I keep running into things BECMI has such as wilderness generation, domain management, mass combat, followers, mercenaries and hirelings, spell research, strongholds, taxation, high level quests, and planar travel.

Yes, continuing with a failed mechanic when it is clear it has failed would be an immediate red flag. Yet things-not-working-out at the basic resolution mechanic level would still be a concern, and worthy of discussion. Regardless, my statement was made under the notion that a solid primary...

To start with, you are absolutely correct. There were small niche abilities* that could come into play. First and foremost, I was referring to/thinking of the skills where you specifically, well, skilled (were giving a nwp score, likely a modification of an attribute, and rolled that to effect...

Let's be clear, exactly one individual suggested that there was a grift going on, and the person you are responding to was not that person. It is not helpful to include that statement in your response to their post. Beyond that, everyone* is aware that the game was unfinished and subject to...

An issue is a broad topic. To be clear, it absolutely, flatly, unflinchingly is not an issue on a legal, moral, uh... 'doing something wrong' level. The grifting claim suggestion made above seems likely to be either 1) casual overreaction, or 2) becoming used to a specific way something is done...

Everything you say is true. However, the alternate methodology that seems to have popped up for nerdosphere news is page ads, which drastically incentivize low-effort clickbait articles. And that I am super tired of dealing with. It will be interesting to see if new models rise to the fore.

Interesting. Do you have any examples? Slow descent into spot checks notwithstanding*, did you really see it take over the game? *I'm concerned with what was there in 1e and 2e, not what it might have become in 3e My impression was that the non-weapon proficiency/skill system was a bunch of...

Agreed. This is not a grift. Colville and MCDM are long termers who make their living on having a continuing reputation of delivering consistent content*. They are in it for the long term, not a flash-in-the-pan or fly-by-night grifting operation. *that you may or may not like or think valuable...

I see. In that case, I generally agree. We're playing games about people who live in a world where magic is real. That's anathema to what a lot of us would like people to believe in our day-to-day life, but that's true of both eras of magic-believing. One is just insulated by time. That said...