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I think all D&D has something akin to roles, but 4e labled them and gave them a ground floor viability... 2e fighters were defender off striker and 2e rouge was called a thief and was more of a lurker (monster) then a striker. I can build a X class that can fill Y role in most systems... that...

this is the beach front of this edition war and the war goes on and on

So there is a medium I like, but a character/story I don't follow (I dislike the paceing and can't get into it) but I get told all the time the main character can 'no or low dif solo X' Now again I don't follow the story so maybe they can (keeping this vague to stop derail and not nitpick)...

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as long as it is just that... not "they ARE casters" or "It MUST be mind control" again I don't often (and I don't think here ever) see 4e fans police opinions or dislikes... someone posted back in the 20teens "Martial power sources makes it feel like a giant green battery in the middle of...

2e had the best lore and out of combat RP stuff... 4e had the best monster stat blocks... I wish would could have evolved 4e into a more 2e story focused game

If I say I don't like 3.5/Pf I get asked all the time why... not once have I had to go into extreme detail... cause not liking something is easy to grasp. I also don't like what i call torture horror, but I love monster and thrill and psychological horror... If asked why I can provide...

I gave a list of adjectives that don't mean supernatural... this is a fight you can't win he will not change his prejudice

your right... I am dropping it cause this is why I can't talk on here anymore...

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Extraordinary... uncanny.... amazing I just realized I was listing adjectives from marvel comics so Incredible and Invincible and Astonishing might fit... also web of... edit: Mighty, Dark, Immortal, Superior, Infamous, extreme, and Totally Awesome edit 2: Unbelievable, Unstoppable, Immoral...

I think it should have been a clean break from 5e, a new edition named 6e... I think the half measure of "its new with all new rules, but it's the same" is a mistake

this is why I think D&D gives you only what you bring to it...

never enough... but 4 could cover it... but 18 isn't enough

my 5e game (not my character and not a fighter but a martial character without spells) at level 7 can jump from 60-80ft cliff land (prone), stand and 6 second later run faster then any other character could even if they didn't jump down 60ft... the character has just shy of 100hp, a base move...

You can call your cat what you want. You can call your dog what you want. When you call something that can be pointed out in print being called one the other that isn't just your feeling... it is you disagreeing with the language we all agree on. Now, if you want to call your cat a mini cow...

so again... you can say you disagree with them not being supernatural and you feel they should have been... but factually in world in rule and as written they are not. You don't like that (no one I have seen wants you to like it, thinks you need to like or even wants you to like it)

Right now I am running RIFTs, one of my players kept worrying "Its just going to be deadly fight after deadly fight" in 9 sessions we have had 2 fights and only 2 important NPC deaths... The amount of time you spend in combat is 100% group dependent

I'm about to hit my limit for how much I allow myself to post here in a month, but they said they were realsing all old editions... if you want to try to argue around the word promise that is fine/

this is the argument... you can feel like they should be or you can think if you made them they would be... but by the book they were not.