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  1. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    It's interesting because, the initial incarnation of Favoured Foe was exactly that. Some free casts and when you get spellcasting next level, it doesn't count against your spells known. Assuming you don't mind Rangers hinging their combat prowess off of Hunter's Mark (which they clearly don't)...
  2. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    I mean, I was personally willing to complain about both. As with some previous renditions of Ranger, I think their sense of what's a reasonable level to get some things (particularly when that's all you get at a given level) is still just really off. Even putting aside that it's all to do with...
  3. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    It is dumber, because you choose to take Feats. Not to mention they come a bit later in the levelling table. If learning additional languages is direly important for some reason, you can account for that in your roleplay if you take the feat, or ask your DM to learn them on your down-time, or...
  4. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    Bit of an over-simplification. Your DM ever sent you to a country where they all speak Thieves Cant? (Moderately interesting a notion as it may be.)
  5. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    I don't really think of either of them at all, but I especially don't really think of either of them as true languages. They're more like secret codes.
  6. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    And, again, I'd argue it's a reach. A reach for any class to get languages from their base levelling table, though Ranger getting them is especially weird. I'd put Wizard above that, then probably Bard, if anyone. I would not be content having things like languages dictated by class choice. It's...
  7. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    I don't know about supposed to, but I would (and did) argue that just giving them the standard Expertise treatment, two at an earlier level, two at a later level, makes the most sense. A Ranger is/ought to be the ultimate traveler. They are not, however, a holiday maker. They don't roam the...
  8. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    It's probably not gonna happen! I'll probably stay on 5E and just pinch what's useful from 2024. (Not solely because I find 2024 Ranger inadequate mind, but y'know, certainly doesn't help)
  9. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    You're offering all these provisos that aren't what I want, when they literally already offered what I want in a previous rendition! You're not gonna sell me on the spell format when precisely what I'm after is there, and there's no need to try either!
  10. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    A little better, but still would rather it was innate like Revised Primeval Awareness (or the various other abilities that do basically the same thing, Speech of the Woods, etc).
  11. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    I understand that was probably the logic, I still think it's a reach. And a reach made for a reason I disagree with, I think they should've just kept it at regular Expertise.
  12. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    I personally dislike using Animal Friendship to express a Ranger's affinity for animals, I much prefer that half of Revised's Primeval Awareness. It's not a charm, it's not forced. I'm sure that's not a big deal for some/most players but y'know. I would say that the needle is a bit too skewed...
  13. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    They do. But their first level of Expertise (or first feature that provides Expertise), instead of being two skills, is one skill and two languages. Which is a bit lame and also bizarre.
  14. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    That's what I'm saying, they are on the right lines sometimes, it's not a complete failure. It's just I'd say some stuff comes kinda late or could do more.
  15. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    I'm not saying they shouldn't rely on spells at all, only that some stuff should be part and parcel to the class itself, regardless of how many spell slots they've burnt. Fast movement, overcoming exhaustion and natural conditions, snappy reflexes etc., these are things that I'd put on the...
  16. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    Y'know that thing Jeff Goldblum said in the dinosaur movie? It's like that! (Sure a lot of things technically can be spells but not everything should be. In particular, not everything in a classes loadout should be relegated to spells.)
  17. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    I mean, generally speaking, yeah probably most of those listed. Though some of them I'd take as a given, you probably don't actually need to specify things like the ability to dual wield or use a bow and arrow. And a decent few of those are definitely traits that some of those characters share...
  18. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    Yeah, honestly. I don't even think it'd be that foreign a notion to them, they've had their fingers on that pulse in previous renditions, and even in this one for some of it. Roving genuinely is/was a good start with that logic. They could just do with expanding that general principle, and not...
  19. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    Not untrue, but also they could've just made it flatly non-concentration at the baseline and I wouldn't have even blinked. It is! But the fact that it's another feature that only does something for Hunter's Mark, without being actually a part of the feature that grants Hunter's Mark, irks me...
  20. Rocker26a

    D&D 5E (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    Wouldn't fly on it's own though, they kinda need a damage buff of some sort, and they need it on the levelling table.
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