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  1. Merlion

    the "truth" about classes

    I'm not really sure what the issue is. Of course they will start out with less base classes and slowly add a lot more. We already know this. So what? Remember as well that they are (somewhat foolishly) looking at core as "the game" and everything else as extra, forgetting that everything else...
  2. Merlion

    Changes to Devils and Demons

    I didn't read all of the thread, but these are my thoughts. I adore the idea of Devils as fallen angels, and used a similar sort of aproach in the last game I ran with fiends for all fiends. I believe evil is a choice, and therefore beings that are inherently evil from their beginings rub me...
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    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    I feel the same way about your attempting to attach hard and fast, absolute, factual objectivity to art. You can apply accepted opinion yes. And you can apply success/failure in a certain purpose. Beyond that its *ALL* subjective, not just enjoyment.
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    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    But then we again go into the cycle of who decides what is or isnt a flaw or what criteria should be used, and how those criteria should be judged, as we've already discussed several times. You speak of a successful representation of the form...the trouble is, people have different ideas of what...
  5. Merlion

    How Powerful is Magneto?

    I agree about the grenades, but the depiction of his powers in the movie doesnt fit with even his most basic portrayl in the comics. The movies insist his power is "manipulating metal". In actuality his power is, of course, manipulating magnetism, for a variety of effects. He is always portrayed...
  6. Merlion

    Cthulhu Trailer

    Feel free to email me if you'd like, my address is right under my avatar. However, I still dont even know how to write in script format (the folks I mentioned are gonna have to show me) and I honestly feel rather nervous about the whole thing, but I'm always happy to discuss the craft so to...
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    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    No offense but, what does this have to do with anything? I dont really care about being able to use things in structured arguements Again you seem to be coming from a proffessional/commercial/academic perspective, and judging everything by its relevenece in those spheres. I'm not...I'm just...
  8. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Yes I know, but your still insisting that their "bad" and people have to feel guilty for enjoying them. They just happen to be good for the people who enjoy them, and bad for you. This is the real trouble. Art isnt majority rule. Each and every person gets to form their own opinion of wether...
  9. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    But everyone creates their own context. As you say, it will be influenced by their culture, but its still their own personal opinion formed from their feelings, thoughts and experiences. And thats why 1) there is no single standard that art can be judged on for EVERYONE. For the majority...
  10. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Yep, each of us can do that for ourselves according to our own opinion and taste But we cant tell everyone else ours is the only opinion that matters, or that theirs is the wrong taste to have. We could, but we'd be wrong. We'd also be extremely egotistical.
  11. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    No...a peice of art that failed at its intended purpose, but fullfilled a different one instead. You could say it as, it was a bad painting of a dog, but not a bad painting.
  12. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    I'm not so sure about that, at least in the way I think of things. In terms of commonly held opinion, I'd say definitely yes to the first part. However, the problem with the first part is, if your going to create a "best" and a "worst", people have to agree on it. Agreeing that something without...
  13. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Yea in your first line there you repeat the exact intention of what I said, just in different words :-) I think we are using different ideas of value. When I say value, I dont(neccesarily) mean world changing social value, or value to the community of the artistic elite, or value for making...
  14. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    My answer to this is, it depends on purpose and intention. Now when you say they intend to paint a picture of a dog, your probably saying they intend to depict a dog as realistically and accurately as they can. In this case yes, the one that looks more like a dog is objectively better, because...
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    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Yes I would. But note that it is "better than". Not that the one with the contradiction is bad or worthless. I want to apologize to you Smurfy because I havent gotten to your rather important post about the painting of a dog. I will, because it brings up something that should be addressed...
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    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Well, when I spoke of exceptions what I was really getting at is while the criteria you all speak of for judging art (or some version of it) is excepted and used by many, including most of the people who matter in the "art industry", there are still a great many who don't. Only a minority...
  17. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Unless it does work for someone. Wether it works or not depends on what its trying to do. This is true of all such criteria. Now again, I realize that much of the time what your saying is going to be true, but there will be exceptions. Or at least, it constitutes a mistake. I realize some...
  18. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Thats a good sign :-) Which is just another way of saying what I said...that it has value for me, but not for you. Instead in your specific example it would be "its valuable to me, but not not to the majority" We basically have different terms for the same thing. What you call the "rules...
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    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    I dont see where black, white or grey comes into it. All I'm saying is, nobody has the right to dictate someone elses opinion to them about art. If a work of art has value to me, if it makes me happy, if I find it pleasing, then it has value to me. And no one has the right to step in and say...
  20. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    What I take exception to is what has been put forth by some that there is an absolute, final, universal standard of "good" art and "bad" art. And anyone who holds the opinion that a piece of art that this universal standard labels "bad" to be "good" anyway, that person is simply wrong, and must...
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