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Yeah. If you're magically Invisible - from the Invisibility spell, for example - you don't lose it by making a noise, but that's the only mechanical difference from just taking the Hide action. So someone could still come over and have a look at whatever you're doing, presumably either having...

This is how I believe it works, yes. I think this is actually quite elegant - if we imagine a PC sneaking up on a guard like this, rather than have a "surprise round", what we instead have is a first turn where the DM might rule the guard isn't yet aware of the PC, and uses its action to Search...

And there's absolutely nothing in the rules for the Invisible condition that prevents someone walking over to them and going, "Hey, what are you doing?" Do you see what I'm getting at? The Invisible condition isn't literally "turning invisible". It's a game effect without any further implications.

Why does it matter? If they're not doing anything with the Invisible condition, they might as well not have it. Remember: the condition says nothing about awareness. They can wander around being "Invisible" for as long as they like, but other creatures are free to make Wisdom (Perception) checks...

The Invisibility condition is how the game represents not being seen, which includes a variety of means, magical or otherwise. Do you have an issue with Poisoned representing a whole host of different debilitating effects? And if you're sneaking through a maximum security prison, are we talking...

Yes, that's one of the things that would cause you to lose the Invisible condition. But also, everything else louder than a whisper, which includes almost everything. If it was just the intention that no one be able to talk loudly while hiding, the rule would say, "You can't speak louder than a...

Oh, I was ready for this one! Yes, if someone burns a level 2 spell slot to mean they move silently after successfully concealing themselves, then I would be happy, as DM, to let them gain the benefits of the Invisible condition for a turn longer than they otherwise might. Congratulations: you...

No, my interpretation is that the Invisible condition is not necessarily One Ring-style invisibility. It is a condition being used to describe a creature being unseen, whether by hiding out of sight or using magic. The Invisibility spell turns you invisible, One Ring-style, but the game effect...

What's the not-louder-than-a-whisper limitation for then? It's true that if you simply assume everyone is gliding around on greased wheels and making no noise when they draw weapons or discuss plans or stub a toe or get stabbed then, yeah, hiding behind a bush once makes you Invisible forever...

Right. But what are the benefits of the condition? This is what I said earlier about people getting into the weeds with a precise definition of the Hide action, but taking a vibes-based approach to the Invisibility condition. All Invisibility actually does is grant you advantage on attacks...

Even running. You are massively underestimating how loud someone wearing studded leather and carrying a load of weapons actually moves if they're not trying to do so silently. I believe the "louder than a whisper" clause is basically saying you can't just wander around freely being invisible...

No it doesn't: the Invisibility granted by the Hide action is conditional on not making a noise louder than a whisper. It's incredibly fragile. You basically can't maintain it without deliberately creeping around. The Invisibility from the spell still works even if you stomp around the dungeon...

Yes, but you'd need to specify. This is my point. If the Rogue who just took the Hide action and is now Invisible says, "Lol, I'm invisible! I'm going to run up to the guard and stab him in the face!" My response as DM is "That makes a noise louder than a whisper. You need to be moving silently...

Also I would rule that stabbing someone with a spear causes them to make a noise louder than a whisper.

Right, but you also have to not make a sound louder than a whisper. That's part of the conditions for remaining Invisible after taking the Hide action. So all this leaping around in front of people and armies marching past guard posts and whatever has to be conducted in, essentially, complete...

Yes, though they weren't wearing armour at the time or carrying a backpack full of healing potions. More broadly: yes, it seems counterintuitive that someone sneaking up like this would be "invisible", but the actual in-game effect of that is that they get advantage on an attack roll. Which...

Tbh I think some of you just aren't clear on what kind of activities make "a sound louder than a whisper". How are you walking right up to someone without them hearing you?

In the 2014 rules, the only effect - in a combat situation - that your location being unknown had was to grant Surprise at the start (which is now rolled into Invisible), and that thing about saying a creature had to target a space, and would miss automatically if the target wasn't there. In a...

Here's another thing I realised last night, btw: the Invisible condition says nothing about awareness. Everyone's arguing about people magically turning invisible because they crouched behind a bush once, but all Invisible actually does is make you ineligible to be directly targeted by certain...

I've been thinking about this and...okay, bear with me, but what if the rule is structured in such a way as to favour a PC who makes the effort to conceal themselves from the enemy? Look at it this way: playing with the (vague) 2014 rules, you'd let a PC take the Hide action to duck behind a...