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Maybe, maybe not. At this point in the thread, it's more of a fun theoretical discussion for me. I will say, being able to cast 2 spells in a round is pretty big. In one of the games I play, the DM asked me why I'd only been casting a cantrip or some other non-casting action after using...

Not if you never start concentrating - after all, you just cast the spell "as normal," not prepared to cast, not ready to cast, cast. Again, I see the point, I just don't agree.

No, it says " If your Concentration is broken, the spell dissipates without taking effect." But why, exactly, can you just not choose to cast the spell (which you have done "as normal) and let it go off without ever concentrating? Concentration isn't broken here, it never comes up. I suppose...

And if it really was this replacement action, where it worked while the magic action didn't: What exactly is to prevent the player from voluntarily not holding the spell? All it says is that HOLDING the spell requires concentration (later released by a reaction) - ok, so I voluntarily choose...

The trigger can be pretty broad, so I would consider the chance of it not triggering pretty minimal (generally you would set the trigger to happen very quickly unless beneficial not to). The reaction is actually a real cost. Fighters typically have lots of things they can do with a reaction...

And that is what 100% loses me. The text is "You cast the spell as normal," on your turn. Not you prepare to cast the spell or you ready to cast the spell. It says you actually cast the spell. You then hold the spell (using your concentration) and RELEASE (not cast) it with your reaction.

To me, that's part of the point. Assuming they are different: To disallow the magic action, but to allow the ready action, even though it's performed exactly like the magic action (how else to interpret cast as normal) - makes no sense to me.

Except the ready action says you cast the spell "as normal" and limits the spell to 1 action spells. The "cast as normal...," to me means as a magic action. How do you cast a 1 action spell normally? As a magic action. Otherwise it would just say as an action, not "as normal." Again, certainly...

Except when I was looking at the Magic section and the casting time: Casting Time Most spells require the Magic action to cast, but some spells require a Bonus Action, a Reaction, or 1 minute or more. A spell’s Casting Time entry specifies which of those is required. You'll note ready is not...

I'd like to see a 2024 monk in play. No one in any of my groups (I have 1 regular and 2 on-off ones) has taken one. Trauma from 2014? But considering the boost I have seen to sorcerers, barbarians and fighters? Plus paladins are still extremely strong despite the divine smite nerf (though I...

That says you cast the (1 action only) spell as normal. Normal casting is as a magic action. So it seems quite off (to me) to so easily skirt the restriction imposed on magic actions. But we've been there and in guess no need to keep going around.

But as you, yourself said, that's just a game construct. Forgetting everything else, it seems really odd to just ignore the limitation because you put a different label on it. At least that's my take.

I was looking at the spells section and this struck me: Casting Time Most spells require the Magic action to cast, but some spells require a Bonus Action, a Reaction, or 1 minute or more. A spell’s Casting Time entry specifies which of those is required. This leads me back to normal being a...

I certainly agree that 5e combat can become boring or a slog to just "get through." The trick, for me, is to introduce stakes and conditions that don't involve just getting the other side to zero. - Rescue hostages while holding off, or navigating through, baddies. - escape sequence, sadly...

True, I was typing quickly and meant to say action surge, but somehow wrote Haste. And I do think that's correct. I interpret "cast as normal" to mean use the magic action to cast, because that's the normal way of casting. Then the ready action does the other stuff, holding it ,adding...

Except then you run into the text of ready action "To be readied, a spell must have a casting time of an action..." So no holding a bonus action spell!

For me, this adds needless complexity. "Cast as normal" IMO means cast using the magic action (as normal) and the ready action allows you to hold it as the text says. It doesn't replace the magic action, it adds to it. But I can see reading it the way you do - just don't agree.

Casting a spell merits special mention under readying and action: When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. To be readied, a spell must have a casting time of 1 action, and holding onto the spell's magic...

To add: after you cast the spell as normal, you must concentrate until your readied action releases it, if your concentration is broken the spell is ruined. So you cast, and then concentrate to hold until the reaction occurs. Not you declare what the reaction is and then cast when the reaction...

I just don't see any other way to read "When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy," than to read you use the magic action as your action but hold off casting. Since the magic action is not allowed with action surge, this doesn't work. Yes a staff was used here, but...