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Fair point. Maybe within that ruleset, it's just difficult to make 4 sub-classes of fighters, 4 sub-classes of paladins, 4 sub-classes of barbarians, 4 sub-classes of monks, and 4 sub-classes of rangers without overlapping greatly. Hence, maybe one of the classes falls between the cracks.

Our DM wants to wait until there is more material, so we will continue down the 2014 path. That said, I will definitely buy the 2024 books and read through them.

I think the framing of kill here is incorrect. I am around a lot of new DMs, and their frustration comes from not being able to challenge the PCs without the threat of having a TPK. If framed that way, then these new class powers will indeed frustrate some DMs, even experienced ones. The old...

I would pick a trope; the half-orc fighter, the elven ranger, the gnome wizard, the halfling bard, the dwarven cleric, all come to mind. I think the only reason I would do that is to try to keep some consistency of lore Yes. Character creation is supposed to be a series of tradeoffs. It starts...

☝️ This. 100%. I think the problem comes from everyone looking at the other classes, where the word "enhanced" is used about a million times. Then, this ranger, doesn't look as "enhanced" as the other classes. On a side note, the backwards compatibility for the PHB is not really compatible as...

That is your claim then: All characters should start with the same score in their primary ability. (Quick question, should their starting secondary ability be the same too?) It's a good claim. I don't see why you care though if you are only DMing. Would it still bother you if none of your...

You accuse me of false assumptions regarding your intent. Please read the first and last paragraph of your sentence. You can't seem to find a way to build your urchin that starts with a 16. That is my entire claim. People are not really upset that the urchin kid is less learned than the noble...

Of course those people exist. They are called outliers. Outliers, like the street urchin that starts with a 15 intelligence and is in the top 10% of the fantasy population, can conceivably go on to enter magic school and graduate with honors. It's a common fantasy trope. We root for those...

Absolutely. They learned how to provide for themselves. In context, that means food and shelter, as stated in the next few sentences. It doesn't necessarily mean learned how an airship works or how the planar magic interacts with one another. Again, top 10% in intelligence if you want them to be...

They are not saying poor people are stupid. In fact, as a street urchin you can be in the top 10% of the population regarding intelligence. That's quite extraordinary considering intelligence, according to the D&D definition, is mostly gained from your environment. What they are saying is...

I have. I DMed quite a bit of 4e. I just feel that some of the creatures in the 5e MM had some distinct flair. Perhaps, not enough for most people's liking. Either way, all the more reason to check out the 2024 MM. :)

And that's a fair take. Heck, I spent quite a bit of time arguing for species to have distinct ASIs, because for me and my gaming experience, it allows the world building to be a bit more consistent. But I get the other side. Building what you want and equality of characters promotes fun too.

It can be both. If you use the investigation skill to determine which criminal gangs are active, why wouldn't the person that comes from a noble background know this? In fact, their intel should be just as good as the urchin. Now, piece together they understand the big picture: supply and...

I understand. A large part of me agrees with you. I was simply pointing out why backgrounds are less inflammatory than race. That's all. I was just presenting a side so Micah Sweet understood why I thought background ASIs were safer for WotC than racial ASIs.

And again, one is not innate. The other is. The one that is innate has been considered inflammatory for a very long time. The other one, not so much. That is until people try to make it about something that is inflammatory. But when presented with: PC One grew up around scholars, laboratories...

Got it. So you want the griffon to have a specific griffon attack, like grab and drop or bloody beak or something like that. An attack that does something specific. Like bloody beak might yank a piece of armor off, thus lowering the AC of the player by 1 or 2 for each successful attack. Maybe...

And I agreed with him on that point. A lot of players will complain when they don't get to start with a 16. He is correct. My claim was that for many players, it won't matter. And equally, the mindset needs to be taught that a 15 vs a 16 is not as big as what it seems in our heads. With all the...

I distinctly said it wasn't innate, but exposure. So there was nothing innate about backgrounds; therefore, choosing ASI for backgrounds is less inflammatory. Remember, the multiple threads, debates, arguments, and all-out attacks in the past revolved around the racist idea that one race was...

Oh, I agree with you that class is the most common because it determines much of your play. I just think that the framing of "What do you want to play?" that actually determines how players approach the game. All takes are fine, but the framing is important. Here is why: The framing can also...

Yeah, I get it. But, I can say this: If this PHB is anything like the last one, once you learn the rules, it doesn't matter what order you go in. Your brain automatically adjusts for many things, no matter the sequence of steps used.