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The Delve Format was a 4e innovation where the formatting of adventures was changed so that everything you needed to run a given encounter was always on a single page. Errr, that's not quite right. Two facing pages (whatever that's called). Meaning you never had to flip pages or reference...

I'm not interested in pedantic one upsmanship. I've explained what I meant. You understand what I meant. You just now want to insist on arguing terminology. Fair enough. You win. You are 100% right.

The point being, if you look at things like adventures and AP's and other stuff that isn't rule books, what innovations do we see? Take any of the latest AP's and how are they any really different from a module written in the 1980's? WotC tried to do something different with the Delve format -...

Sorry, I thought I was clear. I was talking about how I view innovation and why I don't particularly think of D&D as being innovative. I don't really care about other people's definitions. 🤷

But, doesn't innovation mean to create something new? Bolting on the skill system from Role Master into D&D wasn't an innovation, IMO. 1e didn't innovate anything over OD&D. Not really. heck, the systems were close enough that you could play ODnD adventures in AD&D and not really change much...

No, I said that D&D was bringing in innovations that are several years behind the curve. 3e was heavily influenced by Rolemaster, a game that had been around for, what, a decade or more before 3e? Pulling tried and true things into the game is a great way to build a game. But, it's not what...

But 3e wasn't innovative in terms of RPG's though. It borrowed pretty much wholesale from existing games. Granted the d20 mechanics was pretty innovative, but, otherwise, very little in 3e was unfamiliar to anyone who played games other than D&D. 4e brought in mechanics from other games and...

I'd certainly check it out but, again, backwards compatibility is important to me now. I love the fact that I can now pick up an eight year old module, hit up Reddit, and there's a thousand pages of additions for that adventure, never minding that there's a thousand more available for pay. And...

But, again, why would you ever look to D&D for that? D&D has never been that.

Again, just to add to this,, since when has D&D EVER innovated? Well, outside of being the granddaddy of other RPG's, of course. It's not like 2e was a radical departure from 1e. 3e changed from AD&D, but, it was hardly innovative - virtually everything in 3e appeared in other games before...

Another data point is the number of online games in the VTT sphere. Sure, the majority of games are D&D and the very large majority are D&D adjacent - Pathfinder, et al. But, there's a significant portion in every survey (usually around 30% or so) of online games that aren't D&D. Sure, no...

I mean, sure. You can look at pretty much any franchise game. Maybe not every time, I'm sure that exceptions exist, but, by and large, you don't get huge changes from version to version. Halo is coming out with a new version - Halo:Campaign Evolved. I haven't picked it up yet. Haven't...

So, if I'm following this correctly, WotC has a term on the EULA that is pretty bog standard. They have this because in the past various companies and the like have had problems with people claiming that they stole ideas that were posted on that company's website. Like they websites that they...

Ignoring the "lack of innovation" thing for a bit, I would point to the leader of most industries is not the one that innovates. The industry leaders in cars haven't particularly changed what a car is or innovated in a very long time. Incremental changes from year to year? Sure. But actually...

Yes, but, it's not like only mushrooms can be poisonous. There are all sorts of things out there that you cannot eat. And, since apparently survival does not grant you ANY information, you cannot possibly know which animals or plants are not poisonous without using the Nature skill. It's a...

Are people really that sharp in their divide? I mean, I'm running Out of the Abyss, the monsters are all 2014, with 2024 PHB and various other bits and not having any problems at all. I must be doing things wrong.

You said that it was impossible for fungus to be hazards. Would you like me to quote you? I am just showing that it is entirely possible for fungus to be hazards. Or are you claiming that the only hazards a DM can use are the ones listed in the DMG? Even the descriptions in the DMG don't...

That means that I DO know that these specific mushrooms aren't poisonous. Or, are you saying that it's impossible to forage mushrooms? What exactly do you think people are eating when they forage?

OIC, So, skill checks now rewrite the world. If I roll that I successfully forage in an area, then that area cannot contain poisonous mushrooms, since, it would be entirely possible that, since I cannot tell poisonous from non-poisonous mushrooms, that I would pick the poisonous ones to eat...

You would be wrong: 2024 DMG: