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Well, there are two "Greyhawks in the DMG." One is the one that is written, that does not talk about any of the legacy elements. That one can certainly be run out of the books, but even so nothing about it says 5E. It just doesn't actively contradict the rules. The other one is the lgacy...

One of these days I should rewatch TMP. It has been a long time and I bet I don't find it as plodding as I had when I was younger.

I know we have a mutual friend. Are you in CT? I would be happy to run for you and D.

It seems like you simply disagree with the premise. Which is fine, but im not sure how productive a conversation we can have in that case. I can't convince you that mechanics are important to setting design, and you can't convince me they aren't.

You would be surprised by how much of RPG material was designed in a bar. More to the point: so what? How does that refute the idea that Spelljammer is a deeply 2E designed setting?

So just by way of example, one mechanical thing that is new in 5.5 that I think would impact the way we write D&D settings differently than how we have done it so far, is the change in how species and background interact mechanically. previously, we did a lot of pastiche Tolkiening -- this race...

::looks at spelljammer:: ::looks at Parmandur:: ::looks at spelljammer:: If there was a "if it is in D&D, it is in this setting" setting before Eberron, it was definitely Spelljammer.

But they aren't new. ETA: specifically, they aren't designed with 5E as a root; the root is MtG. They are being shoeshorned into 5E no less than other older settings.

Saying "there is friction" is not to say that it is impossible. Look, my whole thesis is that a setting is BETTER when designed foe a specific game (or edition, in this case). An example of that is Eberron -- a brilliant, well designed setting that took the game it was designed for as the...

This is a MtG setting, right?

You aren't the first to mention Radiant Citadel. I don't own the book, so much of this is based on impressions. But as I understand it, that is not "a setting" in the Forgotten Realm or Eberron sense of a setting. it is a city, or nexus point, or soemthing, and within it are a bunch of very...

At the moment, anyway, Wizards seem allergic to anything New at all.

There is still friction with each edition change, since some number of edition assumptions have been altered. Stuff as simple as the presence of new races or the lack of inclusion of others.

That is their out planes setting?

Specifically, how magic and item creation worked. Without those original elements, a 5E born Eberron would look different.

That's the conundrum for me: wait and binge, or drip?

The fact that "if it exists in [3.5] D&D, it exists in Eberron" was a major aspect of the setting and certainly contributed to its success. But like the other settings, it has experienced some tension with both 4E and 5E in how to blend in contradictory elements. A hypothetical Eberron conceived...

That is interesting. I do not own either of those books. Can you tell me a little bit about them? (I am familiar with the setting via Vox Machina and that is about the extent of it, btw.)

The Greyhawk as presented in the DMG is interesting because it does not talk about character options or other mechanical elements at all. I suppose one could take that to mean that they are saying yes, if it is in 5.5E it is in Greyhawk. But we all know that GH is the OG setting (or other OG...

I don't think that is a compelling argument or has any real examples to back it up. You CAN create bespoke emchanics for a setting of course, but you can also craft a setting to meet mechanics. They worked within a design constraint -- which almost always benefits the final product. I did not...