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Again, just to add to this,, since when has D&D EVER innovated? Well, outside of being the granddaddy of other RPG's, of course. It's not like 2e was a radical departure from 1e. 3e changed from AD&D, but, it was hardly innovative - virtually everything in 3e appeared in other games before...

Another data point is the number of online games in the VTT sphere. Sure, the majority of games are D&D and the very large majority are D&D adjacent - Pathfinder, et al. But, there's a significant portion in every survey (usually around 30% or so) of online games that aren't D&D. Sure, no...

I mean, sure. You can look at pretty much any franchise game. Maybe not every time, I'm sure that exceptions exist, but, by and large, you don't get huge changes from version to version. Halo is coming out with a new version - Halo:Campaign Evolved. I haven't picked it up yet. Haven't...

So, if I'm following this correctly, WotC has a term on the EULA that is pretty bog standard. They have this because in the past various companies and the like have had problems with people claiming that they stole ideas that were posted on that company's website. Like they websites that they...

Ignoring the "lack of innovation" thing for a bit, I would point to the leader of most industries is not the one that innovates. The industry leaders in cars haven't particularly changed what a car is or innovated in a very long time. Incremental changes from year to year? Sure. But actually...

Yes, but, it's not like only mushrooms can be poisonous. There are all sorts of things out there that you cannot eat. And, since apparently survival does not grant you ANY information, you cannot possibly know which animals or plants are not poisonous without using the Nature skill. It's a...

Are people really that sharp in their divide? I mean, I'm running Out of the Abyss, the monsters are all 2014, with 2024 PHB and various other bits and not having any problems at all. I must be doing things wrong.

You said that it was impossible for fungus to be hazards. Would you like me to quote you? I am just showing that it is entirely possible for fungus to be hazards. Or are you claiming that the only hazards a DM can use are the ones listed in the DMG? Even the descriptions in the DMG don't...

That means that I DO know that these specific mushrooms aren't poisonous. Or, are you saying that it's impossible to forage mushrooms? What exactly do you think people are eating when they forage?

OIC, So, skill checks now rewrite the world. If I roll that I successfully forage in an area, then that area cannot contain poisonous mushrooms, since, it would be entirely possible that, since I cannot tell poisonous from non-poisonous mushrooms, that I would pick the poisonous ones to eat...

You would be wrong: 2024 DMG:

That's not true. Knowing if a mushroom is poisonous or not comes under foraging. Obviously. Since if I cannot tell between harmful and beneficial plants, how can I forage for food? Nature tells you exactly what kind of mushroom is and what family it belongs to and all the academic knowledge...

For anyone interested in the dichotomy I've talked about, I cannot recommend enough pretty much anything by Dr. Amy H. Sturgis. Fantastic stuff. To be honest, that's probably where I picked up the terms Wellsian and Vernian.

Ok, in the interests of trying to move past this stumbling block, let me try to explain my point without resorting to any jargon. In SF, there are two (note, this does not mean that there are ONLY two, just that these are two among many) common themes. In the first theme, science can resolve...

Again, you understand the point I’m making. It’s not controversial at all but for some bizarre reason you keep banging on about the terms instead of actually addressing the point. Since you have no problem with the pint, choose terms you like and I’ll use those. I am certainly not wedded to...

As a fellow teacher, I’m still pretty baffled that anyone who claims to study SF has never heard these terms before. It would be like someone saying they’ve never heard of postmodernism. Sure if you’ve never done any lit crit I’d understand. But it would be weird to see someone claim it does not...

Sorry, but, all I can really say is that the terminology I'm using is pretty commonly understood in any criticism of SF. That @Celebrim needs to bring in hundred year old quotes to support his point isn't really much of a counter argument. I mean, good grief, Google Wellsian vs Vernian and it...

And, just to add later. Just because a work or two by a particular author may not fit the concept perfectly isn't really much of a counter argument. The two main streams (or schools if you prefer) of SF are Vernian and Wellsian. The Vernian school is characterized by a view of science as...