WotC: "You see in our system all of the character levels go to 30. Look, right across the board 30, 30, 30 and.."
DCC: "Oh, I see. And older systems just went up to 10."
WotC: "Exactly."
DCC: "Does that mean it's more epic? Is it any 'epic-ier'?"
WotC: "Well, it's 20 more epic, isn't...