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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gerion of Mercadia" data-source="post: 3388914" data-attributes="member: 50527">No - I am forcing you to think outside that box you are trying to think inside.  If the only way I can do it is to utterly destroy that box with sarcasm, so be it.  Please do note that I hit the Statement, not You.Your argument rests on the fundamental requirement that the ONLY benefit of being a Wizard or Cleric is spellcasting.  It is only about 60-80% of the class.  When you take away the other 20-40% of Wizardry and Clericdom... you dramatically weaken the arsenal at the disposal of a character.oh - fyi - it is an extreme pain in the tail end to cast arcane spells while in armor.  This has a tendency to eat up the "brokenness" of the so called "optimum combination".IMC you must suffer all of the disadvantages of a class before you can claim its advantages.  I Outllaw "Multiclassing into" the Barbarian base class for this reason.  Granted having the spellcasting capability of an 18th level cleric and an 18th level wizard at 21st level is extremely potent; I point out that it is in essence ALL the character has.  The thing you see as a strength is also a weakness.  Remember that when you try and argue against the logic that is MT.</blockquote>