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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Herzog" data-source="post: 3389422" data-attributes="member: 25696">You mean 'cast like a 18 Cleric / 18 Wizard'.But yes, you're right. I think I made a calculation error somewhere....I was trying to say two or three things at once, and they got mixed up.Trying to split: a Cleric 3 / Wizard 3 would need 17 levels of MT to reach casting levels of Wiz 20 / Cler 20. If we would allow MT20, all MT levels passed 17 would be useless, since there is not spellcasting progression past lvl 20 for the base classes.a Cleric 3 / Wizard 3 would need 14 levels of MT to reach character level 20, after which you could switch to Epic Progression if you wanted to.a Cleric 4/ Wizard 4 would need 16 levels of MT to reach casting levels 20, and 12 levels of MT to reach caster level 20 to go Epic.There, that was what I was trying to say.Now, as to the relative power of a Cler 3/Wiz3/MT14 (and assuming Practiced Spellcaster for both classes) :Is this class more powerfull than a Cler20? how about a Wiz20? How about Cler10/Wiz10?Fact is, they are not the same. There is more to a Cleric than spellcasting, and more to a Wizard than spellcasting. If this was not the case, you could strip both classes of all non-casting extra's (armor proficiencies, weapon proficiencies, bonus feats, etc) without anyone being bothed. Now, if that 'more' is 20-40% of the class, I don't know. If I did, I wouldn't be asking opinions here on the board.Herzog</blockquote>