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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gothmog" data-source="post: 4696500" data-attributes="member: 317">Definitely- both sides sniped back and forth after 4e was released.  I'm not disputing that at all.  And while some 4e folks (the ones I called "overzealous") did engage in some "4e is the bestest" comments, mostly what I saw in that first week after 4e's release were the 4e detractors making very rude comments about those who enjoyed it.  I remember within two days after 4e came out, a couple posters on ENWorld in particular engaged in the "4e is D&D t-ball", "4e is for people who couldn't handle the complexities and sophistication of 3e", or "you can't roleplay in 4e- its only a glorified combat game" posts.  The degree of elitism those showed made a lot of pro-4e fans pile onto them (which wasn't right in and of itself), and was the major start of the flamewars around here.  I'm not claiming any of the rude behavior was justified- if that was your impression, I'm sorry I didn't express myself clearly.Personally, I was excited about 4e, and wanted to discuss it with folks here in a calm, rational way, trade ideas, talk about ways to use the system, etc.  But 4e detractors would invade every single thread and threadcrap (and on one or two occasions, I regretfully fell for the flamebait in those threads). <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/blush.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":blush:" title="Blush    :blush:" data-shortname=":blush:" />  I can't answer for other 4e fans, but I kept out of the pro-3.x threads and areas of the site, because I didn't want to perpetuate the flamewar, and quite honestly, I have better things to do than hate on how someone else plays a game.  The flamewar has started to die back some now (thankfully), but you still have a few agitators running around (on both sides, but mostly pro 3.x from what I've seen recently) with nothing better to do than poop on everybody else's parade.</blockquote>

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