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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 1835612" data-attributes="member: 114">Personally, I think that Sense Motive is so underused compared to one of the mega skills like Spot or Tumble that I'd be happy to let the players get all the mileage I can out of it.I'm not interested in rendering their investment in skills pointless, I want to allow them to enjoy their strengths.To that end, I'd say that a Sense Motive total of +28 would be capable of apparently magical feats of mind-reading, just like a hide of +28 can make you capable of almost magical feats of hiding.As a DM I love it when a player has high sense motive. Why? Because it allows me to deliver exposition within-game, it allows me to use more complex plots, it gives me more freedom.Just like you don't expect a ravine to challenge 10th level PCs because they can probably fly, you don't expect a plot for 10th level PCs to hinge on whether one persons motives can be sensed. You build adventures to allow the PCs to use the heroic characteristics they are developing!Cheers</blockquote>