Bard archetype/variant without arcane spells
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StreamOfTheSky
Adventurer
Spellcasting is a lot to lose... I'll try to think of some options:
A) Alchemist's Bombs (cha-based instead of int-based) and Discoveries (likewise) including the higher level versions
B) Summoner's Eidolon, free Extra Performance feat every 4 levels, and Inquisitor's Solo Tactics and bonus tactical feats
C) Full BAB, d10 HD, proficiency with medium armor and shields and all martial weapons, and Ranger's Combat Style feats
D) Witch's Hexes (cha-based instead of int-based) including major and grand hexes at higher levels and Rogue's talents including advanced talents. Make the talents come at levels 1, 3, 5, etc... so they're not hitting the same level as the hexes.
Just some ideas, not sure if they're that balanced, either in terms of being over- OR under-powered.
A) Alchemist's Bombs (cha-based instead of int-based) and Discoveries (likewise) including the higher level versions
B) Summoner's Eidolon, free Extra Performance feat every 4 levels, and Inquisitor's Solo Tactics and bonus tactical feats
C) Full BAB, d10 HD, proficiency with medium armor and shields and all martial weapons, and Ranger's Combat Style feats
D) Witch's Hexes (cha-based instead of int-based) including major and grand hexes at higher levels and Rogue's talents including advanced talents. Make the talents come at levels 1, 3, 5, etc... so they're not hitting the same level as the hexes.
Just some ideas, not sure if they're that balanced, either in terms of being over- OR under-powered.
1Mac
First Post
I think you're slightly overvaluing Bard spellcasting, SoS. You don't get too many spells, and the selection is relatively limited. Bards have plenty of goodies without spells.
I've got a variant spell-less Bard project that I occasionally remember to work on. The gist is to give the Bard free choice from more performances (pilfered from archetypes, masterpieces, and a few 3rd party sources), plus unlimited rounds of performance (with other stipulations). I've got to refine it a bit before it's ready for public viewing.
I've got a variant spell-less Bard project that I occasionally remember to work on. The gist is to give the Bard free choice from more performances (pilfered from archetypes, masterpieces, and a few 3rd party sources), plus unlimited rounds of performance (with other stipulations). I've got to refine it a bit before it's ready for public viewing.
Herobizkit
Adventurer
Why not just drop the spellcasting altogether? Pretend it's not even there. You lose nothing else by doing so. 
SteelDraco
First Post
Presumably he wants to maintain the utility of the class. A bard without spells loses a lot of power.
1Mac
First Post
You shouldn't need to download an installer. Just click the "Regular Download" link, then "click here to download from Sendspace." Sorry Sendspace is being so counterintuitive. It's changed since I last used it.
