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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 9504690">It is an interesting comparison. I am pretty sure Jacob's Ladder takes a lot of liberties with Eckhart (I remember reading up on him the last time I watched it, and while I can't recall all the details now, I seem to remember the quotes were quite loose with his meaning). But that doesn't particularly matter, it was still brilliant use of the ideas and of Dante as well. On the Cenobites vs. The Angels/Demons in Jacob's ladder, I think the cenobites are more crushing existentially for me because they imply a universe that isn't governed by an ultimate good. Whereas in Jacob's Ladder, ultimate reality is still ultimately good, it is just his perception of what is happening to himself that is misreading the nature of his situation. It is almost implied that there is no hell in Jacob's Ladder, but I suppose you could imagine one where he [SPOILER="spoilers "] is in hell and forever condemned rather than purgatory or some purgatory/hell hybrid before you move on [/SPOILER]. But the thing that always frightened me about cenobites is that sense you kind of get reading Lovecraft, where it's like "Nope, the universe doesn't care about you, and there is no good at the end of the day". Kind of how some horror is effective when it says "You are nothing but fragile meat". Of course I could be forgetting some crucial detail of Hellraiser lore. I haven't seen the second one in a while (and I am not as familiar with the later sequels)EDIT: Here is an overview on Eckhart and Jacob's Ladder:[MEDIA=youtube]DyoFFCSquPM[/MEDIA]</blockquote>

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