Blood War and other "Wars" articles on Wikipedia

[BOZ]

Hey there!

As you may or may not be aware, I have been working to strengthen the standing of the D&D game on Wikipedia by improving the articles we have there on the game and its associated topics. I come here from time to time to update you all on my progress and such, and sometimes to ask for help.

Currently there are several articles on wars from the various worlds of D&D fiction up for deletion discussion, including the Blood War and the War of the Lance. Now, I'm not asking you to pile on "Keep" votes; in fact, I'm specifically asking you not to do that, at least not without providing something helpful for me here and/or improving the article(s) yourself first.

What I really need is help on improving the sourcing for the articles listed on that deletion page. Like I say, you can edit the articles yourself, providing a citation to a source wherever one is needed (i.e., all over the place) on one of the articles up for deletion (or any D&D article, that would help). If you're not sure how to do that, I can help. That would be the most helpful thing you could do.

However, it would be just fine if you could identify the sources I could look in to find the information myself. Be it a magazine, game book, novel, or whatever; just help me identify every place where a decent amount of information about the subject (a paragraph or more) can be found. Page numbers are helpful, but only if you can go that extra mile. Some of these articles already have a few sources identified, so anything you can add would help out a great deal.

Thanks!

 

[BOZ]

I found some decent stuff for the Blood War and War of the Lance in some old Dragon articles. If you can think of anything else, I'm dying to know!

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Can't help you myself, since I don't own anything from that "period" of D&D. I can only offer my moral support for your work.

I think Shemeska might be of use, at least he seems pretty knowledgeable on Planescape...

 

[Thanael]

Wizards Community - View Single Post - The History of the Lower Planes, revised

Perhaps the thread above can help to find some magazine sources?

The Blood War is also referenced in the PC game Torment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nameless_One

 

[Shemeska]

I think Shemeska might be of use, at least he seems pretty knowledgeable on Planescape...

I could do a comprehensive rewrite of the Blood War wiki article, and the sources exist to make it up to snuff for mainstream wiki standards of sourcing, but having the time to actually do so is something else. And I'm loathe to put in a ton of work on wikipedia when a week later some deletionist (or one specific accountant from Britain) may spam it with random tags and try to nuke it because they don't like the topic. Plus, I come close to pushing the edge of wikipedia policy on conflict of interest on planar D&D topics because I've worked on some more recent things that while relatively small in scope, would be ammo for random deletion.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I could do a comprehensive rewrite of the Blood War wiki article, and the sources exist to make it up to snuff for mainstream wiki standards of sourcing, but having the time to actually do so is something else. And I'm loathe to put in a ton of work on wikipedia when a week later some deletionist (or one specific accountant from Britain) may spam it with random tags and try to nuke it because they don't like the topic. Plus, I come close to pushing the edge of wikipedia policy on conflict of interest on planar D&D topics because I've worked on some more recent things that while relatively small in scope, would be ammo for random deletion.

I see. Time is always a big problem, the conflict of interest is naturally problematic, and the deletionist would be very annoying.

I don't know, maybe BOZ or someone else that might have a similar set of material might be helped with some pointers which dragons or supplements contain information?

 

[Voadam]

What I really need is help on improving the sourcing for the articles listed on that deletion page. Like I say, you can edit the articles yourself, providing a citation to a source wherever one is needed (i.e., all over the place) on one of the articles up for deletion (or any D&D article, that would help). If you're not sure how to do that, I can help. That would be the most helpful thing you could do.

However, it would be just fine if you could identify the sources I could look in to find the information myself. Be it a magazine, game book, novel, or whatever; just help me identify every place where a decent amount of information about the subject (a paragraph or more) can be found. Page numbers are helpful, but only if you can go that extra mile. Some of these articles already have a few sources identified, so anything you can add would help out a great deal.

Thanks!

I'm really unclear on their sourcing policies. The page you link to seems to say they want only written non WotC/TSR commentary on the source material to establish notability? Actual cites to the D&D products are not wanted? What about reviews of the books containing blood war issues?

For the bloodwar there is going to be a ton of 2e planescape products, the 2e outer planes Monstrous Compendium (when they discuss fiends), and little references in the 3e and 4e Manual of Planes, possibly the 3e Fiendish Codexes as well.

 

[Voadam]

The 2e Guide to Hell has the theory that Asmodeus commands the blood war simply as a distraction for his true purposes.

 

[Voadam]

At www.rpg.net there is a review of faces of fiends with a brief reference to the blood war.

Another one in the review of Warriors of Heaven

Probably most relevant is the review of Hellbound the Blood Wars

 

[Voadam]

You could also tell Abductive in the admin comments there that Green Ronin and FFE are licensees under the OGL of game rules only and not of plot elements.